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Volkl Sumo vs. Volkl Sanouk

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
I'm getting a pair of dedicated pow boards this year, I've narrowed my choices down to 3 pairs:

1.Volkl Sanouk
2.Volkl Sumo
3.Fat-ypus Alotta

I can demo the Alotta at my hill in Breck, btw, i'm saving these skis for 6" plus days, anything less I ride my Karma or Gotama. Anybody on this forum have experience w/the Sanouk or Sumo this year?

-Tom
post #2 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryantm2001
I'm getting a pair of dedicated pow boards this year, I've narrowed my choices down to 3 pairs:

1.Volkl Sanouk
2.Volkl Sumo
3.Fat-ypus Alotta

I can demo the Alotta at my hill in Breck, btw, i'm saving these skis for 6" plus days, anything less I ride my Karma or Gotama. Anybody on this forum have experience w/the Sanouk or Sumo this year?

-Tom
I hear tell, that the Sumo actually has a leather topsheet!

BTW, why aren't your Gotamas adequate as dedicated powder skis?
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
Gotamas are great, but i'm a gear nut, i want something to bust out for those 2 or 3 days when you know it's gonna be deep . The sumo's seem a bit short for me so i'm not sure where to take this, i've seen them in person, but am not going to be demoing them as to limited availability.

-Tom
post #4 of 18
It depends, I would personly go with the Sanouk. Mostly because it comes in a 193. The sumo looks great but only coming in a 175, I think limits it to a fresh powder ski. When the snow gets choped up I want something long and stiff. I am also 6'3", 220 lbs.
post #5 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryantm2001
I'm getting a pair of dedicated pow boards this year, I've narrowed my choices down to 3 pairs:

1.Volkl Sanouk
2.Volkl Sumo
3.Fat-ypus Alotta

I can demo the Alotta at my hill in Breck, btw, i'm saving these skis for 6" plus days, anything less I ride my Karma or Gotama. Anybody on this forum have experience w/the Sanouk or Sumo this year?

-Tom
You're killing me - is this really what we've come to? Sanouks or Sumos for 6"+ days! You and I live in the same area - generally we don't see huge mega dumps at the Front Range mountains. I guess if you wanted to have 6" feel like bottomless powder then you would want to have "surfboards" on your feet. Maybe it's a generational thing - I bet you're young. Keep in mind that I'm saying all of this with a smile on my face and this isn't any kind of personal attack.
post #6 of 18
Ive got 8 days on the new Sanouks so far this year, and I am prety stoked on them. I went with these over the sumos, since the longer lenght of the Sanouk is a hudge deal when it comes to for/aft stability in the deep stuff, as well as improving the skis ability to stay stable at speed. The longer lenght is alos better for hucking. I mounted them on the line, and I am happy with them there, however I WOULD consider mounting them +1CM.

The tip is fairly soft and doesnt power threw crus as easily as a stiffer ski since it will flex into stuff verses going right threw. However the softer flex and lack of camber is a hudge benifit for sking Pow.

That being said I wouldnt even think of getting these skis unless you ski at a resort that averages 600+ inches a year, and has the vertical and terrain to let the skis run full open.
post #7 of 18
If you can wait for the 06-07 Volkl lineup, the Sumo will be coming in 190cm also. No changes to dimensions. THe New Gotama will have an extra 3mm on the tip and 2mm on the tail, still 105 underfoot.
post #8 of 18
Be sure to let us know how them A-lottas ski in the first 8" dump.

If you can wait till '08 or maybe '09 there will be a Prophet 160 from Line. (course you'd need to wait for at least a foot to ski 'em)



SJ
post #9 of 18
here's another opinion:

as has been stated, the sanouks are NOT going to shine unless they are in 12"+ on steep terrain. this ski has a very soft tip, and because of this is no fun in significantly crudded-out snow (like when it warms up on a blue bird day in the back bowls anywhere in colorado). it skis shorter than it's length because of the swallow tail, but it has NO sidecut. it is a 193. do you expect it to turn at all with a 110mm waist on terrain that has anything resembling bumps?

i own a pair of 190 gotamas and have owned 195cm salomon ak rockets. the rocket was solid and skis much the same (at least in theory - they are different but let is rest here, guys). however, it is 95mm or less underfoot, and has significant torsional rigidity making it turn like mad. the sanouk , from my experience on 190 gotamas, will literally suck the second you get it out of soft snow you can "smear".

i LOVE my 183 gotamas for all around deep days and general in bounds skiing in colorado at areas accessible from denver. i ski my 190s backcountry only now, when the sled is out. they rock out there.

all this being said, i would impress upon you the purchase of a 175 sumo (at least between the voelkls). this ski has sidecut and a short enough length that it will ski trees and untracked with aplomb, while remaining fun when you get out of those 7 turns that would have been even sweeter on the sanouks. my 180 explosives are so damn stable in variable snow and hardpack and what not. based on that, i don't think you need to worry about a 125mm waisted 175cm ski not being stable. it is voelkl. and not of the gotama/sanouk ilk in terms of construction.

while 190cm fat skis rip, they have little to no space to actually perform the way you want them to within driving distance of denver inbounds. this is for two reasons (at least); a) there is not enough fresh snow long enough in the day to satisfy these skis, b) due to issues related to length of the radius on these skis, it is dangerous to ski them as they want to be skied due to the crowds all over the place everyday.

of course, if money is no object and you HAVE to have some sanouks (i'm not sure i would turn a pair down myself), go get them. they are pretty awesome in the right snow.
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
There were a couple of days at Vail last year where the Sanouk would have come in handy, however, They sound like first/second track skis from the responses I've gotten back on this board. I'm going to demo the Alottas this year and see how they hold up. Unfortunately, i'd like to demo the sumos as well, alas, I don't think anyone will mount demo bindings on that kind of a board in Summit Co. Anyway, i think i'm gonna pass on the sanouks and look at the sumo vs. alotta.

-Tom
post #11 of 18
Come on!!!! The same argument can be made against the Alottas as the Sanouks. The Alottas are 172/140/152...140mm under foot. Where/when in Colorado are you ever going use/need them? I'm sympathetic to the "gear nut" aspect, but really, come on. The Gotama should be more than plenty of ski for even the biggest days in the back bowls. James
post #12 of 18
Why, pray tell, aren't spatulas on your list?

Get those. Problem solved.
post #13 of 18
I thought the gotamas were a dedicated powder ski???
post #14 of 18
I thought the gotamas were a dedicated powder ski???
post #15 of 18
Line Prophet 130.
post #16 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerham
Why, pray tell, aren't spatulas on your list?

Get those. Problem solved.
I'll second that...
post #17 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayjayjay1980
If you can wait for the 06-07 Volkl lineup, the Sumo will be coming in 190cm also. No changes to dimensions. THe New Gotama will have an extra 3mm on the tip and 2mm on the tail, still 105 underfoot.
any other changes to the freeride lineup you care to share with us?
post #18 of 18
Well, all the topsheets n stuff have changed, very samurai feel. Cant really reveal too much because I got talked to about letting people pm me for pics. All I can say is the new Mantra 'da sword' looks awesome, enough for me to wait for it till it comes out and buy it. Production run is starting in mid Jan, so just depends on the region as to when it will be available in certain stores. Out of all of them though, Karma looks the best, whole ski is a train and carriages on fire!!! Very, very cool
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