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post #31 of 41
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Originally Posted by FanOZakk
And is that the 2006/2007 Lange I spy?
No, it is just some random plug boot, not sure which one but it is nothing to do with the retail offerings.

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Originally Posted by FanOZakk
Elastic rear travel - the heelpiece now moves backward with ski flex, storing energy, and then releasing it through the end of the turn. This will function in conjunction with the Autodrive 2 plate we'll see more of next year.
All bindings including the turntables and pivots moved backwards with ski flex, but the way they held the boot meant they didn't need as much force ramming them forward to ensure the boot didn't accidentally release when the ski was deflexed.

I don't really see how the turntables prevented ski/binding integration, and given that this fad seems to be dying it would be a rather odd move for Look to start going down that path.
post #32 of 41
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Originally Posted by kiwiski
No, it is just some random plug boot, not sure which one but it is nothing to do with the retail offerings.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to...the new plug for next year. Seems not, though, as it still has the old style power strap...

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I don't really see how the turntables prevented ski/binding integration, and given that this fad seems to be dying it would be a rather odd move for Look to start going down that path.
It was a screw pattern issue. The turntable slid onto a track, that track is screwed to the ski/plate...and it just won't work with the Autodrive 2 plate for next year, so they ditched it. Right now, the only ski which that is an issue with would be the Dynastar Contact Limited...but next year, when that plate shows up on many more of Dynastar's products, it becomes a bigger issue, so this is how it's being handled right now, for the future.
post #33 of 41
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Originally Posted by cliff201
So if I am reading all this correctly- the turntables had two main advantages:

1) The position of the mounting screws allow better flex in the ski and

2) The turntables allow for the bindings to release easier if they really need to.

Am I on target here?
3) The look cool too

4) Apples to apples (in the "day") they were lighter.
post #34 of 41
also-

5/ Higher vertical elasticity

6/ Rotates under tibial axis

7/ Less need for high forward pressure thus the toe unit does not need any compensation mechanisms

8/ Higher power transmisison as the sides of the boot are securely held
post #35 of 41
In all fairness guys...(and gals)

The turntable didn't really do a whole lot...it never did do a full lateral release, and was only augmented the heel release by adding a few degrees of side movement. If it were a true heel release unit, then there would be a binding test in the Look manual for heel turn releases.

The new PX has 25mm of vertical elasticity, which is as good as, if not better than, the P series.

And while the P did have the 3 point heel contact, the PX's singlepoint is still providing extremely precise boot hold... 1.2 degrees of play, total. That's .6 degrees in each direction.

And this new binding is MUCH lighter than the old one, to keep up with today's standard.

Honesty, there's not much, if anything, that the old P did that the PX will not do, in a lighter, cheaper, and all-around better package.
post #36 of 41
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Originally Posted by FanOZakk
In all fairness guys...(and gals)

The turntable didn't really do a whole lot...it never did do a full lateral release, and was only augmented the heel release by adding a few degrees of side movement. If it were a true heel release unit, then there would be a binding test in the Look manual for heel turn releases.

The new PX has 25mm of vertical elasticity, which is as good as, if not better than, the P series. The new PX also provides the exact same forward pressure as the P did, hence the unchanged toepiece.

And while the P did have the 3 point heel contact, the PX's singlepoint is still providing extremely precise boot hold... 1.2 degrees of play, total. That's .6 degrees in each direction.

And this new binding is MUCH lighter than the old one, to keep up with today's standard.

Honesty, there's not much, if anything, that the old P did that the PX will not do, in a lighter, cheaper, and all-around better package.
I agree that the effect on lateral toe release by having the heelpiece rotate around the tibia is all but insignificant. But they never claimed to have a lateral release at the heel, in fact the way the arms wrapped around the boot there was no way the heel of the boot could ever get out sideways.

But where did you hear about the unchanged forward pressure? I have heard multiple times (including john h in this thread) that the forward pressure has been increased significantly. Look has always been good at getting a good balance between release and retention and I am sure this won't change with the PX, but the feel of the helpiece which comes from short mounting footprint and low forward pressure will be lost.
post #37 of 41
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Originally Posted by kiwiski
But where did you hear about the unchanged forward pressure? I have heard multiple times (including john h in this thread) that the forward pressure has been increased significantly. Look has always been good at getting a good balance between release and retention and I am sure this won't change with the PX, but the feel of the helpiece which comes from short mounting footprint and low forward pressure will be lost.
Sorry, that was my mistake. Forward pressure is increased.

The big plus, in my opinion here, is that the binding is now designed to absorb flexing energy, and redistribute it through the end of the turn, resulting in acceleration.
post #38 of 41
"Also the Look/Rossi design makes it easier to get back on in powder and it has huge elasticity which helps prevent pre-releases"
turntables and PX still have this feature...

"And is that the 2006/2007 Lange I spy?" nope that is the current world cup boot the WC 150
post #39 of 41
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Originally Posted by waxman
"And is that the 2006/2007 Lange I spy?" nope that is the current world cup boot the WC 150
The thing that threw me off was the color...that's a MUCH different blue than my WC 150's...
post #40 of 41
could have been a bifferent production run or even size/cuff, trust me when you see the new WC boot you will know it, it is "crazy"....
post #41 of 41
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Originally Posted by waxman
could have been a bifferent production run or even size/cuff, trust me when you see the new WC boot you will know it, it is "crazy"....
Check your PM's please!...I'd like to compare notes with you on next year's boot!
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