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Putting T-Bar between legs forbidden?

post #1 of 28
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After having read the topic bout not being allowed to have backpacks on while sitting in a chairlift I began wondering if ski-fields also start on forbidding people to put the t-bar between the legs for a comfier ride. Normally I never had probs doing this or other things on the t-bars (like using it as a drag-lift or changing positions with a second person)- however nowadays there are more and more skifields in my region where the lifties stop the lift and tell me to use the t-bar the "normal" way. (which I do if there is a que anyway). That is about the same bullshit as forcing you to step out of the binders on a snowboard. (do it even if it is uncomfy sometimes just because I can't bother to unstrap on softies). Or moaning at you because of not using the unload area but stepping out 10m before. So sometimes I now have to change my sitting position of the lift after being out of sight of the lifties and change it back before arriving - which can be quite difficult if there is no flat part.
post #2 of 28
I love watching Snowboarders get Slingshotted by T-bars, great times. It reminds me of the old Coyote Versus Roadrunner battles.
post #3 of 28
When riding as a single on a t-bar, it's much more comfortable to put it between the legs. They're a pain to ride single if you try to stay on one side. However, if you're really concerned, ask the ski area mgt is they have a policy about it. If they don't, then tell the liftie to stop making up his own rules and ask Mgt. If the mgt says no riding with it between your legs, then do whatever you want when they can't see you.
post #4 of 28
I haven't seen a T-bar in like 20 years.
post #5 of 28
I have tried having the t-bar between my legs a few times but didn't find it any more comfortable than using it the normal way. The central bar means you have to keep your legs further apart or get a bruise on your inner thigh. If you find yourself slipping off the side of the T when riding by yourself just wedge your outer hand under your butt so you don't slide off.

And snowboarders should always ride with their back to the bar, ie regular on right hand side, goofy on left hand side.
post #6 of 28
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
I haven't seen a T-bar in like 20 years.
That's funny! There are resorts with T-bars only in Sweden.

And after working at one, I have a better understanding of the rules attached to lift riding.

Putting the T-bar betwen your legs can lead to injury... If you fall, you get dragged. I had to help a kid off the mountain efter he got hurt from being dragged.
If your are a solid skier you probably won't fall on the lift, but how is the liftie to know?
And come on, stepping out of the binding when snowboarding isn't that much of a hazzle!!
post #7 of 28
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
I haven't seen a T-bar in like 20 years.
Breck has a T-Bar on the bowls, so does Stowe's mini-park.
post #8 of 28
Big Mountain in Montana has one on the back side . They also have a Poma (spelling) lift there. I hadn't seen one since I lived in Wisconsin. They used to have them at Porcupine State Park if I recall.
post #9 of 28
Thread Starter 
hehe - I think it is forbidden in Austria by the BEFÖRDERUNGSGESETZ or BAHNFAHRGESETZ (=federal law) as every single ski-area in Austria has signs saying it is forbidden. (same applies to "Es ist verboten mit offenem Sicherheitsbügel zu fahren" = "It is forbidden to use the chairlift with open safety bar") However they didn't mind but now they do!!!!! Other big blue signs on every t-bar lift are: "Das Herausfahren aus der Spur ist verboten" (= it is forbidden to ride up not using the chairlift lines) or " Das aussteigen aus dem Lift vor der Ausstiegszone ist verboten" or on chairlifts "Es ist verboten mit dem Sessel zu schaukeln" (= Dont swing on the chair) o.T. What do you moan about snowboarders getting caught in a t-bar. Sometimes I went into the t-bar with closed bindings, once out of reach of the lifties I sat down on the snow, the bar still between my lags, and enjoyed the lift dragging me up - Somehow my pants didn't like it very much so I stopped that behaviour - once your trained to it it is easy to stand up again. 2.nd reason for giving up was that that dam bar got stuck in the ground and the cord ripped apart - leaving me to ride down with the bar in my hand complaining bout bad quality (:
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
Oh - the most comfy way of riding a t-bar I have seen was in NZ at Mt Cheeseman. Two people I was seeing did just click in the t-bar with a custom-made nutcracker device that they had attached to a climbing harness.
post #11 of 28
I've only used T-bars at Blackcomb on the glacier during the summer. I never really found much problem using it (I'm a snowboarder), though a couple of my friends had a bit harder time. After I got the hang of riding them I thought they were way more fun then riding a chair. I wish we had some here in Washington, but maybe because of regulation and/or lawsuites they are not used around here.
post #12 of 28
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Originally Posted by extremecarver
Oh - the most comfy way of riding a t-bar I have seen was in NZ at Mt Cheeseman. Two people I was seeing did just click in the t-bar with a custom-made nutcracker device that they had attached to a climbing harness.
If you are going to do that you might as well ride a proper nutcracker lift, they go about 2-3 times the speed of a T-bar.
post #13 of 28
Riding a T straddling it is bloody dangerous. I wouldn't do it.

We used to have nutcrackers in Australia, before the t-bars came. My parents' attachment devices are still up in the cupboard.

There's a lot to be said for t-bars, they can keep running in quite extreme conditions so you don't have to close the resort. It's funny in the US, to see people who are ordinarily very skilled skiiers, looking like beginners on a t-bar.
post #14 of 28
Now I know where all the T-bars went.....


Down under.
post #15 of 28
Yep, we've got them by the bucket load!
post #16 of 28
They are often the first lift beginners ride, although that's changing slowly as they put in slow chairs and carpets. I've taught at several resorts where they are the first lift, or the one they ride when they are starting to link snowplough turns.
post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
Yeah I know rope toes are much cooler. I love the Craigieburn one due to the sometimes build in jumps which are made possible by high speed. However using a t-bar with harness isn't bad either.
post #18 of 28
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Originally Posted by JohnH
When riding as a single on a t-bar, it's much more comfortable to put it between the legs. They're a pain to ride single if you try to stay on one side. However, if you're really concerned, ask the ski area mgt is they have a policy about it. If they don't, then tell the liftie to stop making up his own rules and ask Mgt. If the mgt says no riding with it between your legs, then do whatever you want when they can't see you.
Don't ask permission!!! If you have to do it, do it. Then see if the lift attendant comes out yelling and screaming. I had that happen in France. What hot heads. It wasn't a T-bar but some very odd French alternative. Recently I was leafing through Dec. 68 Skiing mag and saw a piece on how to ride a T as a single. I'll scan it, and give it to anyone who wants it.
post #19 of 28
Actually, I don't see the point of the discussion. But what the heck...
The part of staying in the lift line is way more important than any other rule about riding a lift...
If you pull the T-bar to the side it will derail the cable, and if it's a long lift it's a bitch to get back.. So, bitte in der Spur bleiben! Waiting at a shut down lift sucks, waiting because someone couldn't wait to carve a turn until he got up sucks even more...
Gaaawwd! This brings back memories of the 2 months I had to work at a resort,
I hope I never have to see my buddies go skiing while I'm digging out the lift again!

That's all from the Swedish liftie!: Now back into skier mode...
post #20 of 28
I learned to Ski at Mt Tom in Chicopee Mass on a J-bar, Beat that! The local Quechee Ski hill here has a T-bar. We used to ski Hogback and they had all T-bars. Whistler had those 2 T-bars up on Blackcomb. I have a dim recollection of riding up the T-bar to the Bowl at Breckenridge in 80 mph winds and driving snow. T-bars make sense since their capacity is probably similar to a double chairlift but cost much less. The problem is they are ridiculously dangerous. Especially the elastic ones.
post #21 of 28

What the heck.

You'll get a response out of me. T-bars are under-rated. They work great in places where the wind prevents chairs from operating. There's no >>problem<< with them except that in the states the general rider is a geek who hasn't had much experience with them. The Swede got it right. Put it between your legs, stick it where the sun doesn't shine, but don't interfere with the flow.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Alfonse
I learned to Ski at Mt Tom in Chicopee Mass on a J-bar, Beat that! The local Quechee Ski hill here has a T-bar. We used to ski Hogback and they had all T-bars. Whistler had those 2 T-bars up on Blackcomb. I have a dim recollection of riding up the T-bar to the Bowl at Breckenridge in 80 mph winds and driving snow. T-bars make sense since their capacity is probably similar to a double chairlift but cost much less. The problem is they are ridiculously dangerous. Especially the elastic ones.
I learned on a J-bar at Ski Liberty. It was known as the "meat hook". There was good entertainment value in just watching people trying to ride it.

I've ridden a T-bar quite a bit with a friend of mine. I'm 6'2" 200lb, he's 5'7" 140lb. It was a lot of work keeping ourselves from getting tangled up.
post #23 of 28

Self centering.

What do personal accounts have to do with this? Please, don't bore us with your quite commonplace anecdotes.
post #24 of 28
How does the saying go? It starts with a jerk, and hopefully you're not on with one.

There's only 3 T-Bars I've had problems with: The ones in Zermatt where the trail off of the Klein Matterhorn flattens out and you have to take them up for about 45 minutes
post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by ATskier
What do personal accounts have to do with this? Please, don't bore us with your quite commonplace anecdotes.
I always thought this was a board where people were supposed to talk about their personal accounts. Without that all we would be left with is comments from an a$$ like yourself
post #26 of 28
By putting the t-bar between you legs you do not have to hold on to it at all. I keep my poles in my hands, put it under the sack, and ride baby ride!

I will bore you with my personal accounts anytime I want to! If you dont like it block me or dont read it !
post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by huckingfellers
By putting the t-bar between you legs you do not have to hold on to it at all. I keep my poles in my hands, put it under the sack, and ride baby ride!

I will bore you with my personal accounts anytime I want to! If you dont like it block me or dont read it !
Plus, if you adjust it just right, its downright enjoyable.
post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Alfonse
The problem is they are ridiculously dangerous. Especially the elastic ones.
Could you please specify this. All I know of are people braking their legs when leaving the chair lift or similar. Or Chairs falling off and so on. Never hear about t-bar accidents.
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