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post #61 of 67
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Originally Posted by skiingman
As I said, I know from experience that its an utterly frustrating waste of time.
That's really strange. I've reported out-of-control skiers and later seen them stopped by the ski patrol.

I've called 911 after being passed on a freeway by an obviously drunk driver and watched him be pulled over by the police a few minutes later.

I guess you just have to believe.
post #62 of 67
People keep saying "ski at your own risk" They are missing the point. skiing is risky because it is a natural outdoor sport, you are moving at speed, and there are hazards associated with that.

I do NOT accept that I must put up with risk to me posed by other people's disregard for the safety of others. That is not part of the "risky sport" covenant. I do not give others the right to hit me when skiing.

I have found that if you report dangerous behaviour to patrol, they will scramble to do soemthing about it. As the dangrous often hunt in packs, word soon gets round that the resort won't tolerate their behaviour, and interestingly, they DO know that it's wrong.

As for the boy who killed the woman, I draw some parallels with the kid at Vail a few years back who killed a man on a green run. And did he show remorse? Reports were that after he was parolled, he did not follow up on the things he was required to do as part of his parole.
post #63 of 67
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Originally Posted by ant
I do NOT accept that I must put up with risk to me posed by other people's disregard for the safety of others. That is not part of the "risky sport" covenant. I do not give others the right to hit me when skiing.
I guess you don't drive an automobile then.

Whenever you participate in life, and there are other people around, you have to accept that their (lousy) decisions may affect you. You then have to learn how to mitigate those risks.

Its more than a little silly to claim that you should be able to ski without any sort of risk that someone else will hit you. This risk is one of those that is inherent in the sport. Your lift ticket tells you that. Its written right there for you to read.

edit: Might as well include the text I'm talking about:

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Originally Posted by Maine state code, my emphasis added
"Inherent risks of skiing" means those dangers or conditions that are an integral part of the sport of skiing, including, but not limited to: existing and changing weather conditions; existing and changing snow conditions, such as ice, hardpack, powder, packed powder, slush and granular, corn, crust, cut-up and machine-made snow; surface or subsurface conditions, such as dirt, grass, bare spots, forest growth, rocks, stumps, trees and other natural objects and collisions with or falls resulting from such natural objects; lift towers, lights, signs, posts, fences, mazes or enclosures, hydrants, water or air pipes, snowmaking and snow-grooming equipment, marked or lit trail maintenance vehicles and snowmobiles, and other man-made structures or objects and their components, and collisions with or falls resulting from such man-made objects; variations in steepness or terrain, whether natural or as a result of slope design; snowmaking or snow-grooming operations, including, but not limited to, ski jumps, roads and catwalks or other terrain modifications; the presence of and collisions with other skiers; and the failure of skiers to ski safely, in control or within their own abilities.
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As for the boy who killed the woman, I draw some parallels with the kid at Vail a few years back who killed a man on a green run. And did he show remorse? Reports were that after he was parolled, he did not follow up on the things he was required to do as part of his parole.
What are you talking about? The guy who killed someone on a black run I remember, but I don't know what guy you are talking about.
post #64 of 67
You haven't heard of the Nathan Hall incident?

http://www.skisafety.com/innews-demons.html
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/200...=7322628053581
http://www.csindy.com/csindy/2000-12-14/cover2.html

All of which mention the case, and also canvass the issue of whether putting other slope users at risk of injury or death is acceptable.

If you hit someone with your car on a road, you are dealt with by the law. People understand that driving a car or motorbike on the road does not mean you can go around smashing into people adn if they do, they are liable for severe penalties.

Your road analogy falls to the ground.
post #65 of 67
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Originally Posted by ant
Chalat Hatten Law Offices of Denver, Colorado, provides this website as a public service to promote knowledge of skiers' rights and responsibilities.

The firm's practice includes an emphasis on the representation of plaintiffs in skier/skier collision cases, skiing accidents and lift accident cases.
post #66 of 67
Two more link to Nathan Hall articles:
Original Sentanced to Jail:
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl...853EST0219.DTL
Avoids going back to jail:
http://www.vaildaily.com/article/200...=7319393717046
post #67 of 67
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Originally Posted by ant
If you hit someone with your car on a road, you are dealt with by the law.
That's actually not true in cases that don't involve injury or death, 95% of the time. In fact, even when injury or death is a result, tickets still aren't necessarily issued, and I would hazard to guess that less than a quarter of the fatal accidents in the US result in criminal charges being filed.

The vast majority of roadgoing accidents are dealt with between the individual parties, with little or no intervention from police. Usually police intervention is limited to mere reporting, similar to what Ski Patrol does in such incidents.

The exact same thing can be said for collisions between skiers. While most collisions are caused by a willful disregard for safety in both automobiles and skiing, in both subjects only the most serious are dealt with by law enforcement.
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People understand that driving a car or motorbike on the road does not mean you can go around smashing into people adn if they do, they are liable for severe penalties.
No, people clearly don't understand that. Road-users go around killing each other at alarming rates, with penalties meted out in only the most egregious cases.

You don't understand what I'm saying to you. Skiers legally are and should be held responsible for their actions. Realizing that some just won't is common damned sense, and this realization is printed for you on your ticket in case you aren't capable of figuring it out for yourself.
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