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Fischer RX6 very unpopular-what is wrong?

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
At the shop I am associated with, we demo every ski on the wall that we sell, in bascially every length. One of my favorite skis from testing last season was the Fischer RX6-this ski seemed to do everything! Sure, it was a little unstable at high speeds, but it was great in the bumps, crud, on groomers, and carved a wicked arc. So, we purchased several pair for both demo and rental.

Fast-forward to this season, and we have sent many customers out on the RX6. I was figuring it would be a home run for improving intermediates to advanced skiers. I was wrong! There hasn't been a ski in our fleet that more people have expressed a dislike for! I would venture to say that at least 50% of the people coming back on the RX6 volunteer the information that it was not a good ski-probably the average for most of our demos is 10%. What is going on? They are well-tuned: I skied a pair recently and they were fine. Just yesterday, an older customer came in and took 2 demos (both an RX6 and K2 Escape 5500): he liked the Escape, but HATED the RX6-basically said it was a horrible ski.

What is going on here? Is this a technique issue? Who should be skiing this ski? I didn't find it demanding at all, just a great tool for becoming a very good skier. Not to mention that more skis are going with the "cross" shape next season, away from the 70mm midfat (IMO, a good move, the cross skis promote tipping and carving more). Will this affect skis sales in the future-how so. We have only sold one pair this season, it was to a girl that was in her second year of skiing and her boyfriend was a L2-she fell in love. Any ideas?
post #2 of 24
I certainly can't answer your question. I think it's a great ski too. I don't think it's demanding at all and I don't think it's technique. This ski is fine with skidding. To me it skis like a softer, less demanding RX 8, but with similar performance.
post #3 of 24
Do you have any perticulars? What have people said they didn't like about the ski?
post #4 of 24
When my dad tried the ski he loved it. He chose it as his favorite out of the B1, '04 Crossmax 10, Bode One, and RX6. He said it wasnt as easy as he thought it would be, but was less demanding than his Fischer SC slalom skis. My guess is that people see a model above the RX6 and feel that they need to be skiing on it. From seeing my dad ski on the RX6 i would guess that it is plenty of ski for 95% or more of the skiing population. Its probably more of a marketing thing than anything else. By next year you will probably see the popularity of the RX8 drop off with the introduction of the RX9. It is exactly the same thing that has hapened with Volkl's Supersport series.

One thing to note about the RX6, i think it actually likes to be skied more than the RX8. Where with the 8 a less than stellar skier can ski it in skidded turns and enjoy it because it is a relatively stiff ski. Mind you, they never really bend the ski into a carve, but they are under the impression that they are skiing on the ski how it is supposed to be skied on, and that they are an "expert" skier. When you put this same skier on the RX6, where their ability says they should be (or even lower in some cases), that same skier will not enjoy the 6 becase it is softer. The ski will not perform as well in a skid/scarve as the RX8. The RX6 will perform like a sports car, but you have to be bending the ski into a carve. If you arent aggressive on them, they wont do anything at all, and in fact will punnish you in the end.

Later

GREG
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally posted by oboe:
Do you have any perticulars? What have people said they didn't like about the ski?
I have heard the range-that it was "unstable", "easy to catch an edge" (whatever that means : ), "grabby", "too short", "all over the place", "hard to ski". I doubt most of these people were good skiers, but the ski was well within their ability level.
post #6 of 24
Quote:
One thing to note about the RX6, i think it actually likes to be skied more than the RX8. Where with the 8 a less than stellar skier can ski it in skidded turns and enjoy it because it is a relatively stiff ski. Mind you, they never really bend the ski into a carve, but they are under the impression that they are skiing on the ski how it is supposed to be skied on, and that they are an "expert" skier. When you put this same skier on the RX6, where their ability says they should be (or even lower in some cases), that same skier will not enjoy the 6 becase it is softer. The ski will not perform as well in a skid/scarve as the RX8. The RX6 will perform like a sports car, but you have to be bending the ski into a carve. If you arent aggressive on them, they wont do anything at all, and in fact will punnish you in the end.
My money's on this answer, for reasons I'll explain to anyone who cares, but they mostly amount to what Greg said. [img]graemlins/thumbsup.gif[/img]
post #7 of 24
Thread Starter 
So, what about some of the other mid-level cross skis such as the Elan S10/8, Volkl 4-star, Head i.c.160? Will they exhibit the same tendancies? Or, is this mostly an issue with the RX6? It seems that the overwhelming population of the skiers coming into our shop (probably 49 out of 50) are skidding their turns and using old-school technique (there aren't many good skiers in Oregon for some reason, havent really figured out why). Should I keep all of those heel-pushers off of "cross" type skis and on a softer mid-fat (70mm waist) ski? If so, what happens next year, when many companies are dropping the 70mm skis for more versatile (under good skiers) 68mm waist models-even the K2 Axis X is gone, replaced with a non-metal version of the XT. Elan is promoting their S series line and cutting their M series (70mm waist) line to 2 models, and our rep definitely was selling the S series as the better performing ski. Will this be a problem for our less-than technically-adept customers?
post #8 of 24
You're automatically assuming they didn't like it for performance reasons...

Fischer isn't "cool". I think a lot of people discount them based on that. If a Fischer and Salomon ski about the same, and the price is in the same ballpark, the vast majority of skiers will take the Salomon. When someone brings a Fischer back and says they didn't like it, do they ever specify why? My guess is you get a lot non-descript explanations.

Fischer has awful marketing. Even when they had Bode Miller they didn't promote it worth a damn. The new RX series, specifically the 8, was getting favorable reviews this year. Then a month after the release of the 8 out comes a 9. This is done after the RX6 was hyped to be the top of the line ski early last spring. In addition to the RX skis, they have the Sceneos and a mess of WC Carver skis plus their race line. They need serious consolidation in their lineup.

They have almost no part of the younger skier market. Zero presence in the twin tip market. Their freeride BigStix line doesn't get much attention compared to Bandits, Screams, 724/V, K2's, etc. The graphics on their skis are god-awful compared to other manufacturers. Next years BigStix skis look like a high school graphic design student did the topsheets.

I just think that when someone is planning on buying a $500+ pair of skis, they want a Rossi, Salomon or Volkl name on them. Fischer may do fine in Europe, but they need to really think about turning their image around over here. I think thats holding them back more than performance.
post #9 of 24
Quote:
Originally posted by Matter:
Fischer isn't "cool". I think a lot of people discount them based on that.
I've sold just under fifty pairs of skis this year. I guess no one at Eldora is interested in being cool
post #10 of 24
Quote:
Originally posted by Matter:
Fischer isn't "cool". I think a lot of people discount them based on that.
I've sold just under fifty pairs of skis this year. I guess no one at Eldora is interested in being cool
post #11 of 24
I think that Matter makes a number of good points. In the USA, Fischer has for a long time been largely a "word of mouth ski".

A few season's ago you would have been hard pressed to see much of any advertising in the skiing publications. Fischer's marketing efforts have improved in recent seasons as have their sales(Rusty Guy certainly deserves some of that credit [img]smile.gif[/img] ) .

Fischer ranks at the very top among ski manufacturers in making high quality skis. Though they don't spend big $'s sponsoring athletes, their race skis have long been popular among non-sponsored racers. It seems like more folks at Epic Ski are discovering Fischer. That's great news because it is a crowded market out there.
post #12 of 24
Great post Dawg and I couldn’t agree with you more Heluvaskier. The same thing is happening with Volkl. Last year the 5 star was a very stiff extremely demanding ski and if you weren't an expert, you should go with the 4 star. This year, it's the 6 star and some shops are saying the 5 star is the soft version of the 6 star. Soft?? A wood core with how many layers of titanium?? Most shops are not even carrying the 4 star. I know this has been brought up on other posts but it amazes me to see how many people that are on these skis and are skidding down the mountain.
post #13 of 24
I was on a 4 Star last year and loved it.

The shop people wouldn't stick me on a 5* because they said I would be on the tails so it wasn't worth the extra money.

Of course I switched to the Atomic R11s which were really stiff and now the Tron XI which are softer.

It is amazing to see people with high end skis plowing or skidding turns.

I could see alittle skid on the tails until they get used to the ski but to throw them sideways is just torture to watch.
post #14 of 24
and even worse to watch is the slew of people who are tossing 'em sideways but THINK that they're carving... and skiing at Level 8 or 9... because of the ski they're on.

ahhh, the American Ego... always overinflated, always fragile
post #15 of 24
Quote:
Originally posted by Rusty Guy:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Matter:
Fischer isn't "cool". I think a lot of people discount them based on that.
I've sold just under fifty pairs of skis this year. I guess no one at Eldora is interested in being cool </font>[/quote]Wow, boy was I wrong about Fischers marketing woes. With Rusty hawking their skis now, Fischer clearly doesn't have any coolness issues anymore... :
post #16 of 24
Matter and rusty might have valid points, but what i really laugh at is when Fischer builds skis for Volkl and Salomon (like they do in the low to mid end) and they are the EXACT same ski but people eat up the other two but Fischers stay stuck to the wall. Personally i think Fischer makes the best Austrian ski out there.
post #17 of 24
ejc, that was the exact point I was trying to make. Take the same ski, put "Salomon" on one and "Fischer" on the other and which one do you think most skiers would take?

Furthermore, even if a $500 Fischer model skis better than a $500 Salomon model, I bet greater than 90% of the skiing public would take the Salomon. I don't have a degree in advertising or marketing, but to me that seems like a problem that should be addressed.

Ask around, most people in the US think Fischer is a cross-country ski manufacturer.
post #18 of 24
try Canada, the brand hardly exists in alberta or bc. your comment about salomon is completely valid, their boots are fairly poor copies of a lange that pavk out in 10 or less days but they still sell lik crazy????
post #19 of 24
I have just returned from a week's skiing a new pair of RX6 ti's, no demo, a blind jump after 12 months trying to get hold of a pair of Volkl P50 RC's.

They are a great ski but by no means an easy lazy ski. The P50 for all its race pedigree, is an easier ride. But they repay all you put in to them but they do need skiing; you'll go out the backwindow if you slacken off for a moment.

Maybe they aren't quite so good on really hard stuff (that may have been my hesitation on day1), though the narrower profile of the P50/P60 may have the edge here. But we had the whole snow spectrum and in the powder despite their being shorter than I've previously owned at (170 from 187), I didn't once go over the fronts. They are certainly versatile.

My guess with 'dissatisfaction' is that they are a more demanding ski than their packaging suggests and do not forgive the complacency many intermediates pass off as competence. I know where my faults lie and they were found out immediately! But they soon repaid some focussed work, something an easler ski might have skipped by.

Perhaps the typical demo-man wants the perfect fit to look good now. They do have a rather teutonic workmanlike aesthetic which along with Fischer's lower profile, may put off the labelhunters. But if you view your skis from underneath, you'll love them.

The downside to this is that I might have got them cheaper had I waited a bit.
post #20 of 24

my wife hated them.  thought they were really heavy (they were).

post #21 of 24

12 years ago, like the last post on this thread?  :D

post #22 of 24

We have an all time bump winnah!! Thumbs Up

post #23 of 24

in case there were any lingering thoughts about these skis...  the blue top sheet was nice, though.

post #24 of 24

Hehe, talking of those topsheets, you've a few years of 'my topsheet is delaminating HALP!' posts to catch up on :D

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