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post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
Since you guys were so helpful with my boot questions, I thought I might as well ask a few other things I was thinking about.
My fiance used to be an advanced skier, but he had an injury and hasn't really skiied the last 5 or 6 years and he's ready to get back into it. He gives me pointers on the actual skiig, but when it comes to equipment stuff, he is pretty old school, I am not sure he has kept up with any ski technology which has come up after 1987. He is going to use his old equipment. Old straight Dynastar skis from the 80's and old Salomon sx92 boots. The guys at SkiMarket said they were in good condition so he doesn't want to buy new stuff if he doesn't have to, since I need my own stuff. He thought the whole "master bootfitting" thing was a huge scam lol. It's ok, I'll bring him up to code.

1. We are going skiing the last week in February to Mt. Orford near Montreal. we have a 5 day pass. This will be the first time I have skiied for more than one day in a row. What can do to ensure that by the second day I am not totally worn out?

2. I don't own skis. We are going to buy them up there. What should I look for? I have skiied 4-5 times. I am 5'8 woman, weighing 150 lbs. What size ski? Should I get "shaped" skis? I have heard those are good for beginners. But do I want to invest a lot of money into skis that I will outgrow? Or if I only ski a few times a year, will it take me a while to outgrow them?

3. If I buy skis in a store can I ski with them that day? Or would I need to have things done to them first? Like a tune or wax? Is it better for me to buy the skis the day before I actually plan on skiing?

This is all I can think of for right now.
Any advice anyone can give me is much appreciated. Thanks!
post #2 of 28
The skis would need to have the bindings mounted, and waxed/tuned. It might be possible for this to be done during the day. If you buy skis from them they probably wouldn't mind loaning you a demo pair for the day. Better yet... if a shop allows you to demo skis ask them to put your demo expenses toward the purchase of new skis. Then you get to try before you buy and you will have skis as soon as you need them.
post #3 of 28
Welcome to the family!

Yes you should get shaped skis! 60% less energy to ski them. When turning, do not put as much forward knee pressure in your turns as you would on a straight ski otherwise you'll cut cookies! Just the knees against the tongue of the boots and initiate your turn.
He must get out of those rear entry boots! Check out my post in gear general, a few more boot questions, or something like that. I'm not good at doing links but I'll try. I'll go find it and repost here so you can find it. Check with a shop to see if his old bindings are still indemnified (useable). Just tell them the make and model over the phone and they can look it up, or tell me and I'll find out for you and get back to you here.
The shaped ski is much easier on the knees, but a lot depends on how one skis as well. The shaped ski is good for beginners but for everyone as well. They are not just for beginners, contrary to a now old myth. The shaped ski shuold come just barely over the head. From there add or subtract a few centemeters depending on what you want. Shorter= quicker turns. Longer = higher speed stability. Please don't go overboard and get them so short that they only come up to your nose. You'll find these turn on a dime and give you nine cents change!
All makes of skis are very good these days.
Just a few suggestions-
advanced skis= K2 Axis X pro, Axis X, Escape 5500, Mach S, Black Magic series (the old K2 4 without the ACX unit, a classic ski); Salomon X Scream Series, X Scream 7,8,or 9; Volant Legend, Machete, T3 series, women's- the Vertex series; Rossignol Bandit X, XX, XXX.
internediate to high intermediate= Rossignol Diablo, Rebel; K2 Mach; Salomon X Free series (lite = women).

Boots- Your choice. Lange tend to be a bit narrow in the shell. Nordica is wider but some people don't like how they grab the heel in some models. Salomon has higher foot volumn for wider feet in the low to mid range boots, but they tend to get a bit more narrow in the higher end models along with a stiffer liner.Technica is a good boot, plenty of volumn but some models tend to taper at the toe box a bit quickly, but this can be stretched out. Get too big a boot and there's not mluch a boot fitter can do for you. If the boot is a bit small, there's a lot that can be done!

Wax and tune- There's a lot of places with great info on this. Visit my site- www.lacyslatherworks.com and click on Bob's Ski Page. My wax and tune article will tell you what you need at the store and step by step instructions on how to!

Two schools of thought- Skis are not waxed at the factory. What they do is put on a thin wax to protect the bases during shipping. Second thought- They are waxed but it lasts for 1/2 day. Some say they load their wax machine for a set of about 25 skis. If you got a set of skis which was number 1 or 2 you're good to go. If you got some skis which were number 19 or 20 you're in a world of hurt, waxwise! Whatever the true story is (and everyone seems to 'know' what that is) it's always best to wax and detune before you first ski them. If you have the shop wax them, be sure they don't just drag the skis across a waxing machine. This is only good for about a 1/2 day of skiing and the wax is only on the top of the base instead of in it where it belongs.

If you are into racing talk to Dchan or some of the other guys here for specifics.

again, try my website and e-mail me if there are any questions. my e-maill is on the site. Bob
post #4 of 28
Here's the thread-
'a couple of boot questions after trying them out'
post #5 of 28

Glad we were able to help.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> If you are into racing talk to Dchan or some of the other guys here for specifics <HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm flattered but I'm not a racer.. I'm sure there are better coaches and racers that could help you out in this area..

To answer the questions,

1. take it easy on the first day, Drink lots of fluids (no alchohol, wine and maybe even coffee) even if it means lots of stops. Better yet carry a hydropack/camel back and drink small amounts every run. by putting it in slowly your body will release it via prespiration or through your breath. Keep reminding yourself you have x more days. take it easy.

2. rent demos.. they will usually apply some of the demo price to towards the purchase. I don't think you can find anything but "shaped skis. Think about this, How much does it cost to rent for a week and how long to recover that cost. If you usually ski a week at a time and only 1 or 2 times a year, the price of a week demo/rental is pretty tempting. You always get newer equipment to ski on, you don't have to lug the skis through the airport, and you don't outgrow your equipment. Most locations allow you to swap your skis during the week so if you don't like what you are on, you can swap for something else or a different length.

3. they will need to be mounted with bindings at the least. See #2

Chceck on line for possible deals as well. I just checked at whistler/blackcomb. for skis only it's 23.00 CDN a day for 1-5 days. The price goes to 19.00 a day for 6 days. The 6 day total is cheaper than a 5 day package.
This was for Hi performance rentals. The sport rental is even cheaper.

The above prices were 20% discounted from the resort rental prices.

Looks like you got some good recommendations for things to try.

Get your fiance to rent or demo some shaped skis and maybe even take a quick lesson on shaped skis. I have been to the ski market. I would not take their word on much (personally(I watched as they told someone that last years xscream series was the ski for this person. "The price was right and rated a great ski". never mind that the person shopping was a beginner and the ski was about 187 CM and the person was a thin 5'4" female). His boots are fair but technology has come a long way since the sx92 and try to convince him that footbeds/fitting are a definite plus..

Good luck.
post #6 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks so much for all your help guys, I really appreciate it. Maybe I should also point out that I am not so much interested in racing, as I am getting down the trail without falling on my face more than a few times.
The price to rent from the mountain was $26 cdn/day.I just figured I should own my own gear since I would like to start skiing between 5-10 times a year. My grandparents have a house near Killington, so we are up there a lot, and should take advantage of that. I think I will get my own skis, but I will try to convince my guy to demo. They looked up his bindings at SkiMarket, and at first they said they couldn't touch them, they they turned the page and said, oh wait, here they are. And the gave him a stone grind (whatever that is) and told him that while the skis were a little outdated, he could get by with them for the week as he is trying to get back into skiing again. I guess I took their word for it since I figured they would be more interested in making a sale, but they weren't so...If after the first day he finds them unusable, I am sure he will switch.
I hope I can remember my high school French OK, I don't want to get all mixed up buying skis in Quebec and end up with something all wrong....
post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 
<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 23, 2002 11:21 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Bertha79 ]</font>
post #8 of 28

There are Ski Magazine Demo Centers at most major ski areas.

Tell boyfriend to come into the 20'th century. I was a holdout too, shapes are the light and the way ... Take a lesson since the old hop like a bunny routine is long gone.

Long skis are out too. Somewhere in the neighborhood of a 160ish. Many shops now have overstock of long skis so beware.
post #9 of 28

Check the prices again for rentals. Check if they have a multiday discount or online pre-book discount. I think it was 32.00 CDN if you rent at the mountain for Whistler but if you reserve online and for 6 days, it's 19.00 a month.

There is one other option for your first few years. You can usually find a lease option for the season or a "multi day rental" like a coupon book for renting 10 days prepaid rentals so you can get better prices. Then you can try different skis as you get better.
post #10 of 28
Thread Starter 
Thanks again guys for your help. Maybe I will take your advice and demo skis....though if I do decide to buy, are all bindings created equal? Bindings seem to cost more than skis most of the time, but they all seem about the same, they just hold hold your boot to the ski right? Why are some bindings $99 and some $200? I didn't think bindings really affected performance much, like the boots and skis do...
post #11 of 28
Some of the bindings have extra bells and whistles. like movable positions (fore and aft) or flex patterns that will affect the ski, also some have extra lift to get more leverage. and Race bindings have a higher din setting. almost all the bindings will do the job. for beginners and intermediate skiers I would look at the ease of getting in and out as one of the primary features. Get one in the din range you need. As you get better, and you upgrade your equipment, then you can upgrade your bindings too. The lawyers have pretty much gotten rid of the "bad" bindings.
post #12 of 28
Thread Starter 
What's a din?
post #13 of 28
See here for our recent discussion:
DIN Settings

Or here for their web site:

post #14 of 28
opps. sorry [img]redface.gif[/img]

You did say Newbie..

DIN is a "standard" used by the industry so everyone is using the same information. The Din setting controls how much force it takes for you to release out of your binding. 1 being very little force, 16 being what a racer would use because of all the force/energy they would generate at their speeds.

To get a binding with a very high DIN rating would be a waste of your money.

WTFH gives some good links. Thanks...
post #15 of 28
Teacher gave me a star! I'm the best! Teacher gave me a star!

Disengaging childish mode...

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post #17 of 28
Thread Starter 
Lol, thanks guys. I get it now....I think I should invest in a "Skiing for Dummies" book...lol
post #18 of 28
Bertha, you call this thread "dumb newbie questions"
If you're saying "dumb newbie", well, you're not, because anyone who asks questions is not dumb.
If you're saying "dumb questions", well I'm glad they're dumb, because those are the only ones I can answer. Thank you for coming down to my level!

post #19 of 28
Thread Starter 

Seriously though, I feel dumb when I come to these borads because I didn't know skiing was so technical and complicated. I see people do it all the time, strap some boards to your feet and you are ready to rock. I had no idea that there was so much behind the scenes with the different types of equipment doing different things etc....it's really fascinating and I am learning a lot of new words and getting some great ideas...
I am pretty excited.
Just one last question (for now anyway), what is a "barking bear"? Is that a ski term or just a random cool name someone came up with for the board?
post #20 of 28
Skiing is all about having fun. Technique is secondary. It just increases your fun factor. In the Adaptive Ski Program we have 3 parameters. In this order. Safety,Fun, and Skill building. I'll let AC or someelse tell you about a Barking Bear.
post #21 of 28
It all started ages ago with a group from Ireland. We discovered that if you teach a leprechaun to ski, he will bark with delight, so we formed a group called the barking leprechauns, of which I am CEO. The membership is reasonably priced at $1000 a month. After we had been going some time, a lot of non-Irish wanted to join up, and since many people didn't know what a leprechaun was (it doesn't translate well into Swahili), they decided to set up an inferior group called the barking bears.

And, you can either believe that, or this:
Why the barking bears?

post #22 of 28
Thread Starter 
I feel up to speed now, thanks.
Oh wait, just one more question (I promise that's it for today, I really should be working...)
What is crud?
post #23 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bertha79:
I feel dumb when I come to these boards because I didn't know skiing was so technical and complicated.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

OK, when you're here, think of it like your job...
If I asked you what you were doing when you were testing a bit of software, you'd tell me that all the flashing lights on the screen were tests happening, and if there's a problem then one of them will flash red.
If someone who understood what you did asked, you'd say something like "I'm using Rational Rose software to carry out a stress test on this code to simulate 10,000 computers hitting it at the same time, using one PC and replicating its network footprint" (or something like that - I'm only guessing here!)

One is using easy to understand terms, and one is using technical terms. Which one is right? Both are!
There's a lot of jargon and technical detail behind "point your skis, and turn". The main thing to remember is that it's fun, so enjoy yourself on your two planks, with those sticks for turning!

post #24 of 28
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Bertha79:
What is crud?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's the dirt on your mouse ball.

i.e. it's stuff you don't like, but at the end of the day it's there, and all you can do is ski your way through it.

post #25 of 28
Thread Starter 

Skiing sounds a lot more fun than software testing. I wonder if someone will pay me to do that...hmm...
post #26 of 28

One thing I didn't see mentioned here, that is VERY importiant, is to spend the extra $100 (or so) and get custom fitted footbeds. They are worth every penny. (I didn't see your old posts about boots, so maybe you already did have some?)

My suggestion, in total, would be to get a good pair of boots that are not too stiff for your ability level, get custom footbeds for them, and get the whole alignment done. It makes a huge difference when the skis are flat on the snow when you are standing up. (again, this may not be an issue anymore)

From there, I would strongly suggest waiting until the last day to purchase skis/bindings (if at all). Your best bet is to rent/hire/demo as many different skis as you can. Maybe use one pair the entire first day so that you get a feeling for skiing again and for the skis. Then, the rest of the week, use a diffeerent pair of skis every day, and maybe even change skis at lunch time (2 pair a day).

Doing this will help you get a feel for how different skis act underfoot, and for what you like/dislike about each.

Then, if you decide to buy, you'll be able to make an educated decision, not one based solely on someone else's opinion of what they like, what they make the most money on, or how they think you might ski. If you take lessons during the week, keep the same instructor each time (if more than once) and mention to him/her that you are planning to buy skis, and ask for their opinion of what you should be on, since they have the ability to watch you ski. You'll get a much less biased opinion, since the instructor won't have a stake in the sale.

One other note; Make sure the skis you rent are freshly tuned. A good ski can ski like a pile 'o carp (SIC? not!) if it's not tuned properly (or at all!)

And don't forget.... Have FUN!
post #27 of 28

Fox has problems expressing himself at times.

Dastardly snow boarders push the nice even and freshly groomed snow into piles. Usually this will expose some of the underlying hardpacked snow or ice.

Trying to turn while in crud is difficult. Turning prior to the crud piles and skiing straight through them is the best way.

Skiers do some of the piling too but the knuckle draggers are the prime offenders.
post #28 of 28
Thread Starter 
About the boots, I got them online ( I know, bad idea, I should have talked to you guys first) but I haven't gotten them yet and the guy says if the don't fit, I can return them. They are Lange X Zero ACD boots. They only thing I am worried about is that he said Langes run small. I take an 8.5 street shoe, and got a size 9 boot, so hopefully it will be OK.
I hadn't thought about custom liners and stuff, but that may better than returning them if they don't fit.
Thanks for all the advice, you are all so helpful!
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