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K2 Apache Crossfire IBX question

post #1 of 16
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I purchased these skis online a week ago. The bindings and skis were shipped separately. I received the skis today, and when I unwrapped them, the skis were completely flat.

When I was in a ski shop, Princeton Ski Shop to be exact, the K2 IBX skis they had, already had (I have no idea what the name is) the piece that goes inbetween the ski and the actual heel and toe pieces of the binding. I was under the impression, after visiting the ski shop that this piece was installed in the factory.

I am just wondering if they sent me the regular Crossfires and not the IBX skis that I ordered. For some reason the bindings wont be here until Monday so I wont be able to know for sure until then. And of course, I can't wait that long.

Does anyone know?

And by the way, i just made this name up right now. i cant remember my password for my real name. The email i registered with is my work email, and right now i am at home.

Thanks in advance
post #2 of 16
You can relax "can't remember", you received the right skis. The Crossfires are a flat ski. The IBX system has an interface plate that mounts to the ski and the bindings mount (or slide) on the interface plate. Think of it as a sandwich. Ski, interface plate, bindings. Unlike some other skis that have rails built into the ski to allow the bindings to slide as the ski flexes, the K2 skis use the interface plate for that purpose. Therefore, a buyer has the option to mount the bindings of his choice on the ski or purchase the IBX system.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by daveed123
You can relax "can't remember", you received the right skis. The Crossfires are a flat ski. The IBX system has an interface plate that mounts to the ski and the bindings mount (or slide) on the interface plate. Think of it as a sandwich. Ski, interface plate, bindings. Unlike some other skis that have rails built into the ski to allow the bindings to slide as the ski flexes, the K2 skis use the interface plate for that purpose. Therefore, a buyer has the option to mount the bindings of his choice on the ski or purchase the IBX system.
Ahhhhh, i understand. Thanks. The reason why I was a little worried was because I already had problems with the place I ordered the skis from. Getting the wrong gear would have really got me upset.

Thanks for calming me down.
post #4 of 16
I understand how you feel. I hope the new skis work out for you!
post #5 of 16
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Well, I got the bindings in the mail last night, and I'm still not convinced they are the IBX. They look like regular old Piston Control 12's. The IBX Recons that I saw in the shop hade the plate on the skis and the little red piston piece was up in front of where the toe piece should be mounted. The binding I received have the piston piece in the middle, right under foot.

I'm gonna look a little online and maybe call K2 if I need to.
post #6 of 16
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Well, I called the place where I ordered from. Thw owner of the store told me that the IBX bindings are manufactured in China. He said K2 promotes them so much because they are cheaper to produce yet sell for the same price. The regular bindings are made in Germany and according to him are of a much higher quality. He also said they will perform the exact same way. Is he full of sh1t? Maybe. But he has been the owner of a very reputable ski shop for 37 years and seems trustworthy.

Anyone have any recommendations?
post #7 of 16
That does not sound right at all. Check out these links to see what the IBX interface plate w/binding should look like:

http://www.k2skis.com/homes/bindings...egory=bindings

http://www.markerusa.com/binding_buy...ons-hperf.html

In all cases (K2 website or marker website) it shows the piston in front of the toe piece. That's part of the design.

As far as being manufactured in China, that's a possibility since K2 and Marker manufacture products in the USA, Germany, and China. So who knows exactly where any given binding is manufactured, but no matter what the the Marker IBX 12 has the piston in front of the toe.

Marker does make a binding called Marker Titanium 12.0 Glide Control xi Ski Bindings that also provide glide in the toes. These are good bindings (for advanced skiers) and ack like the IBX. The piston is underfoot in this model. I'd assume they function IBX, but the are not the IBX and have a shorter foot print on the ski. I don't know if this would make a significant difference in performance relative to the IBX.
post #8 of 16
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So, I went to go get the bindings mounted after talking to the owner of the store I ordered from. I went to a place thats been around for a while, but forgot about when I ordered my skis. They had the Crossfires there for about the same price.

Anyway, the owner as well as 2 other guys there practically yelled at me to take the skis back, and get the IBX. He said there will be a dead spot in the skis and they wont flex the same. I spoke with them for a while, and I left with my skis and bindings.

I called the store i ordered from and told the owner i wanted the IBX. He said fine, and to send the bindings back. I asked if i needed to send the skis also. he said no. I explained to him that I thought the interface plate for the IBX is pre-installed from the factory. He said they can be, but when he placed his order with K2, they only had flat skis, and they sent him the IBX bindings as well. He said any shop can install the IBX interface plate themselves. The 2 shops I have been to told me all of their K2 IBX interface plates are pre-installed. I asked whether or not they can mount the plate themselves and they both said to bring the skis in and they can "take a look."

So now, I am totally confused. The store I ordered from is very reputable and has been around for a long time. Normally I would be skeptical and assume the guy is trying to convince me to keep what he already sent me.

Does anyone know whether or not the IBX interface plate can be installed by a shop or does it need to be installed by K2?

I do know that I am going to call K2 tomorrow and see what they say.
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by cant remember my name
Does anyone know whether or not the IBX interface plate can be installed by a shop or does it need to be installed by K2?
Sure can be.

What the other shop told you about "dead spots" and "flex" is utter hogwash, btw. Its not going to make much more than an aesthetic difference, but you ordered IBX and should get IBX.
post #10 of 16
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Sure can be.

What the other shop told you about "dead spots" and "flex" is utter hogwash, btw. Its not going to make much more than an aesthetic difference, but you ordered IBX and should get IBX.
Appreciate it. But to be honest with you, I am completely confused. The guys at the shop I went to were going on and on about how the ski will be affected.
post #11 of 16
I ordered and received a pair of Crossfires last year and they did in fact come with the binding plate installed. I am really not sure if the ski was sold "flat" last season or not. (flat meaning no plate installed on the ski at the factory) I ordered a pair of Apache "X"s (last years model) this season and they also came with the binding plate installed.

Many companies sell a flat ski so you are not locked into the bindings that are associated with a given ski. Any certified tech can install bindings and/or plates to skis given there are no issues with compatability.

You should have a pair of skis....binding plate and bindings that attach to the plate for your given set-up. Any competent shop should be able to install it for you assuming all the parts are there. My guess is no-one where you bought the stuff has realized that you don't yet have a plate to attach to the ski...
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by cant remember my name
Appreciate it. But to be honest with you, I am completely confused. The guys at the shop I went to were going on and on about how the ski will be affected.
Some people are more impressed by smoke and mirrors than others.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by cant remember my name
Appreciate it. But to be honest with you, I am completely confused. The guys at the shop I went to were going on and on about how the ski will be affected.
What those guys mean in their profit will be affected by your buying from someone else. Acually you are getting a lot of BS from both sides, the difference in performance between those two bindings is insignificant. Just mount em up and go skiing.
post #14 of 16
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Some people are more impressed by smoke and mirrors than others.
Not saying I don't believe you. I just dont know who or what to believe. One shop says one thing, another says the complete opposite. Why is that? In my situation right now, I would have to lean in the direction of the shop who has nothing to gain. The shop saying there will be no difference already sent me the items. Why would he want to pay for the shipping when I send the bindings back, and then pay for shipping again when he sends the correct bindings? Its in his best interest to convince me to keep what i have.
post #15 of 16
Sure, you are right, that is in his best interest.

I have no interest in it at all. You ordered IBX, you should get IBX. I'm just saying that from an unbiased perspective, the difference between the two bindings you described will be mainly aesthetic.
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Sure, you are right, that is in his best interest.

I have no interest in it at all. You ordered IBX, you should get IBX. I'm just saying that from an unbiased perspective, the difference between the two bindings you described will be mainly aesthetic.
Hey, I appreciate your help. Aesthetically, I really don't care one way or the other. And if the performance will be the same, then I will mount the bindings I have.
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