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All mountain shortlist

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi out there. Happy to find a resource like this to ask for some advice.

I'm coming up with a shortlist of all-mountain skis to demo early in the season, and am looking for some feedback.

I'm 5'8, weigh 150, ski blacks very comfortably and steep double blacks comfortably. I live out east, but ski mostly out west, 7-15 days a year(family in Fernie). 50% groomed, 50% off-piste, so flotation's a requirement.

I've demoed the Salomon Scream Hots: found them pleasantly light but a bit too flexy. I enjoyed the 168cm Elan Mantis 662's, and liked them even more as my skills have improved.

Here's what I've come up with as a shortlist do demo.
Rossi B2s--just 'cause most people say they're a great do-it-all ski.
Metrons: Not sure whether the B5s, M11s or M10s would suit me best
Elan Magfire 10s. Maybe the 12s or M666s. Not sure if they'd float as well.
Also considering Apache Recons or Dynastar 8000s. I'd thought about the Head Monster 77s, but they've been heavy in past years.

Comments? Any glaring omissions? Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
post #2 of 19
800, welcome to EpicSki!

Given that you're lighter, I think you have a good selection of skis here; you'll float on narrower skis than would that 800lb Gorilla you have for a friend.

A friend who felt similarly about the Scrambler Hots this weekend found the M:B5 his favorite ski of the day. If you look around here much, you'll find that I like them a lot, too. You'd want to try them in both the 162 and 152, if you can. The M:11 is also a nice ski (same shape), but you'd probably try that in a 162 and maybe a 172. I think the M666 would float well for you, as would the Recons and 8000s. The 8000s will probably be the "light-and-lively" of that crew.

I think you'll find that the B2s feel closer to the Salomons, the Recons and Heads in the middle, and the Dynastars at the "light-and-lively" end of the spectrum. You've got a great list there!
post #3 of 19
Fernie + 50% groomed, 50% off-piste = Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous
post #4 of 19
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Originally Posted by ssh
A friend who felt similarly about the Scrambler Hots this weekend found the M:B5 his favorite ski of the day. If you look around here much, you'll find that I like them a lot, too.
Understatement of the Year!!!

Oh, and welcome to epic Mr. 800.
post #5 of 19
Thread Starter 

b5 vs. m11

Thanks, everyone, for the input.

Given a b5 and m11 with identical lengths and shapes, what are the differences in ride characteristics?

Thanks,
gorilla
post #6 of 19
the B5 is better at higher speeds itis also harder to flex/pressure. At 150 lbs, the M11 would be better for you, of course I don't know your strength or how you actually ski so try them both.
post #7 of 19
Nordica Hot Rod Top Fuels.....
post #8 of 19
highpeaks,

Nitrous eh, in the East it must be Top Fuel. Sounds like Top Fuel is a bit too stiff for soft stuff.

I am about to buy and I want something that I can just enjoy. Nitrous seems to be a slight step down from Top Fuel - true?
post #9 of 19
fsn:

Yes the Nitrous is a very slight step down. Interestingly, both the TF and Nitrous are softer in beam flex than people think, yet both of these skis "feel big." What I mean is that on the chair ride following the run, you think to yourself, "man these things don't feel like 170's" (or) "these feel wider than just 78mm" This is a subjective analysis but IMO it is very true.

My take is that it is due to the tip to tail torsional stiffness and the weight. (both are fairly heavy) and they are also very damp. In contrast for example, the Volkl AC-4 is quite a bit softer torsionally in the forebody and aftbody and is lighter as well. Sure enough, the AC-4 does not feel as big as it really is.

SJ
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by 800lbgorilla
Given a b5 and m11 with identical lengths and shapes, what are the differences in ride characteristics?
The b5s are a beefier ski, but they feel energetic under foot. My comparison of the two was very close, but I found the b5 "more fun". Doesn't help a ton, I know, but that usually means that a ski is more energetic and lively. I think it is also a bit more stable in cut-up and other challenging snow conditions. Furthermore, you can ski it shorter (IMO), so it gets even more maneuverable.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by volantaddict
Understatement of the Year!!!
Work with me, VA!
post #12 of 19

skis

I am a 5' 10" 185 lb intermediate skier and today I skied a bunch of skis you are wondering about at Loveland Co. Conditions were packed powder base with 5 to 8 inches of powder on top. I didn't get a chance to ski the B5 metron but my second ski of the day was the M 10 in a 171. I had more fun on it than I did on the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous (178), and skied it for a longer period of time. The only problem I had with it was it seemed to get pushed around more than the Nitrous. The Nitrous plowed through everything, and floated almost as well as the M 10, though the M 10 made every turn shape while the Nitrous liked long arcs best. The rep told me the M 11 and B 5 both have stiffer shovels than the M 10. Both the Nitrous and the M 10 are very heavy skis. I skied the Dynastar 8000 for one run. It seemed like a pretty decent ski but it was dull and the heel of one binder had huge amounts of play, side to side. It was a Look binding and I noticed the play skiing off the lift at the top. The rep seemed annoyed and said a little play was to be expected. I demoed the Blizzard Titan Eight in a 177 I think. It was an easily forgettable ski. It did everything ok, was quick underfoot but tended to get pushed around by the crud. I demoed the Fischer AMC 76 for several runs but really couldn't get this ski to work for me. I tried the best I could but in the conditions of the day this ski seemed overwhelmed, or maybe it was me? The last ski I demoed was my favorite. I skied it all afternoon, probably for about two hours. The Elan M666 in a 176 was far and away the ski I liked best. It liked long arcing turns best but was far lighter than the Nitrous or M 10 and felt every bit as solid as the Nitrous through the crud. It floated better than the Nitrous or M 10 and was easier for me to handle in the powder. I felt it handled turns at speed better than the M10 and every bit as good as the Nitrous. For me I would rate these skis in this order
Elan M666, Atomic Metron M10, Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous, Dynastar 8000, Blizzard Titan 8, Fischer AMC 76.
post #13 of 19
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Originally Posted by ssh
A friend who felt similarly about the Scrambler Hots this weekend found the M:B5 his favorite ski of the day. If you look around here much, you'll find that I like them a lot, too. You'd want to try them in both the 162 and 152, if you can.
I saw a pair of B5 demos in a 152 today for $350.00! THAT is a heckave deal for a little guy.
post #14 of 19
I would have to add the 8800 to your short list only because I was so suprised how fast edge to edge it was for a mid-fat.

It's going to do just fine in the deeper stuff and I was suprised how good on the harder stuff. Can't speak for ice or super hardpack. (yes there is a differance )

demo it if you can.
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the thoughtful replies. I'm looking forward to demoing a bunch.

So far it looks like the only one I won't be able to try is the M666. 2 Elan dealers in town, one doesn't have it, the other does but doesn't do demos. I liked the Mantis 662. If I'm not blown away by anything I demo--although I probably will be--would anyone suggest buying the M666 purely on faith?

Thanks.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by 800lbgorilla
If I'm not blown away by anything I demo--although I probably will be--would anyone suggest buying the M666 purely on faith?
Probably not, but post your impressions as you try skis, and we may be able to talk about similarities and differences...
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by Marmot mb
I would have to add the 8800 to your short list only because I was so suprised how fast edge to edge it was for a mid-fat.
I found this to be true also. You notice its a wider ski but then you forget about it as you ski it.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by onyxjl
I found this to be true also. You notice its a wider ski but then you forget about it as you ski it.
I found out that fat skis are not like fat chicks. They are fun to ride and it's okay if your friends find out.
post #19 of 19
Thread Starter 
SSH-
Thanks for the help.

Your review from Loveland yesterday was helpful, epecially of the Mantra, AC3, m77, and B5.

I'm jealous of the snow you had. We had 1/8 inch of fresh powder on a base of asphalt and concrete yesterday in London, ON, but it's gone now. I'll definitely post my impressions when I get on some real snow.
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