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post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
Is the RT Ti the real plug? The fact that it is on the website leads me to think that it is not, but it has been referred to as such on here. On the Red Bull website where you can see a very close-up view of Daron's boots, they look significantly different than the RT's. The plastic was shiny and translucent.

Is there a more "real" plug than the Ti?
post #2 of 23
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
Is the RT Ti the real plug? The fact that it is on the website leads me to think that it is not, but it has been referred to as such on here. On the Red Bull website where you can see a very close-up view of Daron's boots, they look significantly different than the RT's. The plastic was shiny and translucent.

Is there a more "real" plug than the Ti?
There were some discussions about this boot .

Comprex, this guy needs your help!
post #3 of 23
the real plug is the race tec ti-however darron may be using a different plastic material.
post #4 of 23
There's also a "Race VIP" (I'm sure that someone can & will clarify the exact name), which I have never seen on any website. The Herminator is using that boot, is Rhalves too?
post #5 of 23
Who cares what Rhalves is using? We will PROBABLY never get what he or the herminator are using. I recently saw a picture of Giorgio Rocca (the top italian SL skier) and he using the whole Atomic package. I can't really tell how different his shells are but the liner was different than the consumer model. It had laces. The consumer model does not have them. I ahve the Race R and i am pretty sure it is not exactly the same boot Tania Poutiainen used when she won the SL and GS titles last season.
post #6 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by sywsyw
Who cares what Rhalves is using? We will PROBABLY never get what he or the herminator are using. I recently saw a picture of Giorgio Rocca (the top italian SL skier) and he using the whole Atomic package. I can't really tell how different his shells are but the liner was different than the consumer model. It had laces. The consumer model does not have them. I ahve the Race R and i am pretty sure it is not exactly the same boot Tania Poutiainen used when she won the SL and GS titles last season.
I remember a thread last year about Race-tec's, someone had gone to the atomic factory and gotten them made, I believe with a B upper and C lower or something like that. That leads me to believe that there is different, lange-like nomenclature for the "bode" boots, as opposed to xs, s, and m. This person said that the combination was the same that bode used. Anyway, I don't ski nearly well enough to need more than the RT Ti, I was just curious.
post #7 of 23
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Originally Posted by sywsyw
Who cares what Rhalves is using? We will PROBABLY never get what he or the herminator are using. ...
Maybe not the customization those guys get, but the boots they start with are certainly available. Actually I know a few people with the VIP. I considered it myself, but it's only made up to a 28.

My guess is that the liner you saw with laces is the Atomic Foam liner. Again readily available - I have laces.
post #8 of 23
Thread Starter 
I thought the VIP was somewhat T-11 -like, with the carbon stabilizer plate. I could be wrong, but idk.
post #9 of 23
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Originally Posted by Woodee
There's also a "Race VIP" (I'm sure that someone can & will clarify the exact name), which I have never seen on any website. The Herminator is using that boot, is Rhalves too?
No, the race VIP was built on the old Tri-tech/10.50 Betarace platform.

the Race Tech TI is the real deal.
post #10 of 23
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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
I thought the VIP was somewhat T-11 -like, with the carbon stabilizer plate. I could be wrong, but idk.
No, it's a plug with the solid sole. I believe it has a more moderate flex though, which would be why the speed skiers like them.
post #11 of 23
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Originally Posted by Woodee
No, it's a plug with the solid sole. I believe it has a more moderate flex though, which would be why the speed skiers like them.
Nevermind. Atomicman says it's not ...

But then if it's built on the tritech then why is it only made up to a 28?

And, I'll have to check them out my buddies again, but I could swear it had the solid sole ... maybe they're not on the VIP after all ?
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Woodee
Nevermind. Atomicman says it's not ...
Hermann's boots & Rahlves boot s are not the old VIP. They are some iteration of the race tec Ti wich comes in diffeent flexes. The World cup guys I am sure have some very customized gear. but they are basically the RT Ti.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by Woodee
My guess is that the liner you saw with laces is the Atomic Foam liner. Again readily available - I have laces.
Another possibility is that he had them installed. PJ Dewey will put laces in any boot if you ask.

-T
post #14 of 23
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Originally Posted by Woodee
Nevermind. Atomicman says it's not ...

But then if it's built on the tritech then why is it only made up to a 28?

And, I'll have to check them out my buddies again, but I could swear it had the solid sole ... maybe they're not on the VIP after all ?
I didn't say they were the the same boot as the tritech, they were stiffer & much narrower and the toe & heels lugs were not translucent they were solid red. the origianal Race Tech was only made up to a 27. the VIP looked like the 10.50 Betarace but was a different last & material. I have not heard of or seen a VIP in reference to the Race Tech & both my sons have Race Tech's directly form Atomic's race Dept. here in US. My younger son has last year 's softs & my older son has the 1st year Medium flex, (ungodly beefy boot)
post #15 of 23
first of all, every boot in the ski universe is made with a plug; little kid's ,women's, men's, rental to world cup. the plug is simply the inner mold that gives every boot it's "inside" shape and determines volume.

daron and giorgio and others sometimes use a foam liner depending on snow conditions which employs a lace up liner (atomic made). the race boots are EXACTLY the same as the Ti, the only difference is that they have 3,5 or 7 mm's of lift inmolded (also available in the u.s. from the racing dept).
the boots use polyether just like the boots you can buy. there are (at the elite levels) cuffs and lowers available in flexes that are in between what is offered here in the states for example...selling four flexes to the public is hard enough, imagine if we offered all twelve!!!! the vip is the race room version of the production tri-tech boots and is still favored by a few for speed events only.
much to the dismay of many people...there is no top-secret, silver bullet out there. obviously elite level athletes are always testing new and different ski or boot combinations/constructions/materials, and are always 6-10 months ahead in terms of what you can buy but.... at the end of the day the boots are all still plastic and the skis, wood and metal.

mark bettencourt
atomic racing dept.
post #16 of 23
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Originally Posted by logruve
first of all, every boot in the ski universe is made with a plug; little kid's ,women's, men's, rental to world cup. the plug is simply the inner mold that gives every boot it's "inside" shape and determines volume.

daron and giorgio and others sometimes use a foam liner depending on snow conditions which employs a lace up liner (atomic made). the race boots are EXACTLY the same as the Ti, the only difference is that they have 3,5 or 7 mm's of lift inmolded (also available in the u.s. from the racing dept).
the boots use polyether just like the boots you can buy. there are (at the elite levels) cuffs and lowers available in flexes that are in between what is offered here in the states for example...selling four flexes to the public is hard enough, imagine if we offered all twelve!!!! the vip is the race room version of the production tri-tech boots and is still favored by a few for speed events only.
much to the dismay of many people...there is no top-secret, silver bullet out there. obviously elite level athletes are always testing new and different ski or boot combinations/constructions/materials, and are always 6-10 months ahead in terms of what you can buy but.... at the end of the day the boots are all still plastic and the skis, wood and metal.

mark bettencourt
atomic racing dept.
thanks Mark, welcomed info as always!!!

CW
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
I didn't say they were the the same boot as the tritech, they were stiffer & much narrower and the toe & heels lugs were not translucent they were solid red. the origianal Race Tech was only made up to a 27. the VIP looked like the 10.50 Betarace but was a different last & material. I have not heard of or seen a VIP in reference to the Race Tech & both my sons have Race Tech's directly form Atomic's race Dept. here in US. My younger son has last year 's softs & my older son has the 1st year Medium flex, (ungodly beefy boot)
wow! your sons are probably very strong if they can flex the Atomic in the Soft and Medium flexes. As i said in another thread, i tried last year's Soft and it was very stiff for me. But i only weigh 155lbs. One of the boots did not have the Power Control and it was a bit softer but still stiff. I guess the boot has to be used with the Power Control to increase sensitivity and response. Luckly, they offer the XS flex. But if they offered more choices it would have been better!
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by logruve
first of all, every boot in the ski universe is made with a plug; little kid's ,women's, men's, rental to world cup. the plug is simply the inner mold that gives every boot it's "inside" shape and determines volume.

daron and giorgio and others sometimes use a foam liner depending on snow conditions which employs a lace up liner (atomic made). the race boots are EXACTLY the same as the Ti, the only difference is that they have 3,5 or 7 mm's of lift inmolded (also available in the u.s. from the racing dept).
the boots use polyether just like the boots you can buy. there are (at the elite levels) cuffs and lowers available in flexes that are in between what is offered here in the states for example...selling four flexes to the public is hard enough, imagine if we offered all twelve!!!! the vip is the race room version of the production tri-tech boots and is still favored by a few for speed events only.
much to the dismay of many people...there is no top-secret, silver bullet out there. obviously elite level athletes are always testing new and different ski or boot combinations/constructions/materials, and are always 6-10 months ahead in terms of what you can buy but.... at the end of the day the boots are all still plastic and the skis, wood and metal.

mark bettencourt
atomic racing dept.
Even if you tried to tell us that what we can buy is almost the same thing the racers are using, in the end you said it yourself: it is definitely not the same thing. Even if the plastic looks the same, this does not mean it is the same. As you said, they are always testing new materials and they are always ahead. So what you can buy today is probably last year's boot (or even older).

Check out this link and look for Giorgio Rocca's boot and lace-up liner: http://www.fantaski.it/gallery/gallery.asp?gid=99

and also this link for hermann's boots:http://www.fantaski.it/gallery/gallery.asp?gid=105
post #19 of 23
Thread Starter 
Taken from sywsyw's site:


Those are not the Race 2005 boots shown online (and below) and in the newest magazines. They don't really look lange-based either. Interesting.


I weigh 200 and can flex the soft without it being a conscious problem, but the medium is a struggle, and would probably hinder my skiing. Thanks to logruve and atomicman for all the clarifications.
post #20 of 23
Here's another link where you can see the R2005 better. Look at page 2 too.

http://www.fantaski.it/forum/topic.a...44&whichpage=1
post #21 of 23
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Originally Posted by sywsyw
wow! your sons are probably very strong if they can flex the Atomic in the Soft and Medium flexes. As i said in another thread, i tried last year's Soft and it was very stiff for me. But i only weigh 155lbs. One of the boots did not have the Power Control and it was a bit softer but still stiff. I guess the boot has to be used with the Power Control to increase sensitivity and response. Luckly, they offer the XS flex. But if they offered more choices it would have been better!
On is now 19 and 6'1' 200+ the other is soon to be 17 5'7 170.
post #22 of 23
if you are refering to the boot shown in the pic where hermann is buckling ( you need to wait for a speed event/not a tech event, to see hermann in a different boot, and then only maybe)...i'm confused, those are the boots that we sell to most any tom, dick and harry. half of the stuff that is considered " top-secret, for racers only" is stuff done literally by the athletes themselves, lasse is a prime example, he does 99% of all his boot work- testing and trying new things. there is nothing stopping you from firing a lace-up into your boots. "just because it looks the same doesn't mean it is"... exactly what i meant by there is no silver bullet...lots of people think that the world cuppers are on stuff entirely different (from all companies, not just us), the stuff is way closer to what you can buy than you know. the race tech has been the same since it's beggining other than being all red in color. the rossi boot shown in the top pic (where the sole is being scraped) is not the r2005 it is the lange zr molded boot that they offered until now. lange and rossi have a new lower (r2005) that has been received ok.
at the end of the day who really cares what level of equipment they are using? it's the racing that matters. do you care if a-rods cup is an a flex or b flex?
post #23 of 23
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Originally Posted by logruve
at the end of the day who really cares what level of equipment they are using? it's the racing that matters. do you care if a-rods cup is an a flex or b flex?
Thank you! That's the same thing i said in my first post.
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