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First hand accounts of avvy rescues

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Telemark Tips

It makes sense to me that someone who posts on Telemarktips.com would have a first hand account regarding a failure at saving skiers caught in an Avvy. It's dominated by fanatics, ignorants, crazies and swelled heads. No one ever dies on my watch.
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Originally Posted by ATskier
It makes sense to me that someone who posts on Telemarktips.com would have a first hand account regarding a failure at saving skiers caught in an Avvy. It's dominated by fanatics, ignorants, crazies and swelled heads. No one ever dies on my watch.
That is a lame statement .

That guy was probably dead before the snow settled. The people involved in that rescue were not associated with the party that started the avalanche. They were kind enough to go up and deal with a gruesome thing.

There is another write up about the Berthoud avy on TGR here: http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...t=38641&page=4

Thanks Lee.
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Originally Posted by ATskier
It makes sense to me that someone who posts on Telemarktips.com would have a first hand account regarding a failure at saving skiers caught in an Avvy. It's dominated by fanatics, ignorants, crazies and swelled heads. No one ever dies on my watch.

This from a skier who doesn't know a kick turn from a helicopter.
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=31164&page=2

There is always a lot to learn from incident reports. Check out "Accidents in North american Mountaineering" sometime.
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Thanks for sharing LeeLau. I believe that even reading stories can help develop experience.
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ATskier

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It makes sense to me that someone who posts on Telemarktips.com would have a first hand account regarding a failure at saving skiers caught in an Avvy. It's dominated by fanatics, ignorants, crazies and swelled heads. No one ever dies on my watch.
ATskier I know you're a curmudgeon. But that doesn't preclude you from the ability to read with comprehension. Your misinterpretation is even more glaring when you generalize the characters of an entire community with distain and in the same breath hail yourself with immortal skills as a BC rescuer.

The OP wasn't telling their first hand account of the event. The OP was passing along the information as it was received from a ski group list serve email.

On the other hand, your posts do humor.

Carry on.
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ATskier I know you're a curmudgeon. .
Issat the same as "best damn shop tech in the northeast"?
post #8 of 19
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You know ATSKier. It's ok to like old stuff but to make a dumb misinformed comment is just plain stupid. You don't know squat about travelling in the backcountry yet have posted some incredibly stupid advice. Now here you are taking a dump in what is supposed to be an educational thread with asinine comments. I know I'm just saying what other people are saying but Gmab
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all i can say is wow. This is an amazing first hand account that just had me staring into space for 10 minutes. I can't thank you enough for linking that, we all need a reminder every once in a while. Even though I like to think of myself as a "safe" bc skier i too often get careless especially with my solid sierra snow pack. I personally still use one of those lexon plastic shovels. I have been meaning to get a new metal one for 2 seasons now and just haven't, i am going to pull the trigger on that now.
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If I had jumped into this thread a little sooner, I too would have bashed AT Skier... but 'nuff been said already.

The Berthoud incident... I hope that myself or anyone else ever has to experience what those 2 fellows did . Great that they chose to share their experience with others. My heart goes out to friends and family.

The Baker incident... Glad to hear they brought him back alive

It's WAY too early in the year for this ppl...use the grey matter, be safe out there!
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Thanks for sharing Lee, both your posts in this thread!
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Thanks for posting this; the sort of thing everyone should read at least once a year, to remind them how present danger is when you're out there. Particularly interesting info about how plastic shovels are useless. I'm probably naive, but I didn't know that; I have a plastic shovel, and so do most of the poeple I ski with. Now I'll try and make sure to get a metal one. It reminds me that it's better to have good stuff that's effective than carrying lots of useless equipment because it makes you feel better. Anyway, blergh. Cheers.
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Originally Posted by daisy
Thanks for posting this; the sort of thing everyone should read at least once a year, to remind them how present danger is when you're out there. Particularly interesting info about how plastic shovels are useless. I'm probably naive, but I didn't know that; I have a plastic shovel, and so do most of the poeple I ski with. Now I'll try and make sure to get a metal one. It reminds me that it's better to have good stuff that's effective than carrying lots of useless equipment because it makes you feel better. Anyway, blergh. Cheers.
I was commenting on this earlier. I don't personally think plastic shovels are useless at all, but they do have limitations. That lexon stuff really is pretty bulletproof and i have dug many a pit with mine without problem. I have run into problems with highly compacted snow that is ice like. A metal blade allows you to cut through this a lot easier. You know in that article the narrator was commenting on how the snow as casted or cemeted around the victim. I think avi debri often compresses so much that it becomes instantly firm and a lot easier to penetrate with the metal shovel. But yeah like you i got a plastic one and most people i know have plastic ones, i think mainly just cause until recently metal shovels were so heavy but they have gotten quite lighter lately.
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exactly, sc - Always want a lighter pack, but that report was so vivid, I had this image of plastic just banging on the top of debris; slides are so hard to ski over not only cos you're rattling around, but cos the snow is just like packed ice...never had to use a probe or a shovel in an emergency so far (knock on wood) but when I do, I wanna be able to do it right. How much is a metal shovel, d'you know?
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They aren't that bad, 40-90$. I know a lot of people recommend the g3 although i think it is a little funky how the shaft connects to the shovel. I would check them out in the store so you can poke and prod them. I need to go have a look myself.

http://search.backcountry.com/exec/?...0& Search.y=0
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I've got a metal one that isn't too heavy, and one one over night I somehow forgot a pot...had to cook in it.
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Bash Away.

However, don't expect me to read your garbage.
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However, don't expect me to read your garbage.
Likewise *******
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Originally Posted by ATskier
However, don't expect me to read your garbage.
you just don't get it. being stuck in your old ways and failing to learn from others mistakes can get you or someone else in a lot of trouble one day. denial is predictable with people like you.
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