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Kneissl M1 White Star

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Thread Starter 
Recently picked up,at ridiculously low price,a pair of 204cm Kneissl M1 White Stars flat.Years ago I skiied 210 Red Stars and I guess nostalgia got the better of me. They appear to be a moderately shaped GS type racing ski.Kneissl has virtually disappeared from the modern ski scene,from their previous prominence, and I can't find any current info on the above. Even though I've gone shorter and wider in recent years I thought it would be fun to put on these long boards and crank out some fast runs on the groomers. I was thinking of throwing on some Markers.Any info or thoughts from any Old Kneissl Hands out there?
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Post some pics of the topsheet and maybe we can help you out.

Last Kneissl I skiied was a 210 White Star 1969 model. Those sticks were burly tanks especially in the backcountry but incredibly stable and damp at mach speed. Found the later Short Stars a lot more maneuverable with my 5'10'' though.
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Thread Starter 
Thanks Powhog,
Will try to comply with pics if I can get my camera back from junior.
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Originally Posted by PowHog
Post some pics of the topsheet and maybe we can help you out.

Last Kneissl I skiied was a 210 White Star 1969 model. Those sticks were burly tanks especially in the backcountry but incredibly stable and damp at mach speed. Found the later Short Stars a lot more maneuverable with my 5'10'' though.
Hi Powhog, Try:

I just received a postcard from them. It seeems they are located in Hampton, NH now.

The site shows their entire currrent line.
Very Interesting!
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Thanks Gotama,

I looked at the link but I feel Finnlander's boards are considerably older, so you won't find them on any page any more. That's why I asked for pics.
post #6 of 16
Thread Starter 
Hi PowHog and Gotama,
Thanks for the interest. Yeah, my White Star M1s are both older and longer than current offerings by Kneissl (or anyone else for that matter) Because they are White Stars and have "racing" etched on topside, I gotta Believe they were GS offerings when originally sold.If I can find the right archive, I'm sure I'll find some comments.
Again, thanks guys.
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You may remember one of the early shape-skis called the Ergo. Soft and, actually, alot of fun. I skied a version called the Ergo Race in a 190. I tried the Ergo in the 200, but it was TOOOOO long. These were my first shapes. The White Star M1 is in the same line, but stiffer. It really was the only one you could call a real race ski (racy anyway).

A friend skis the 204(?) for bombing around on, but they really will turn when you ask. Just not like your 12m slaloms!!

You'll love them. My recommendation is to put PLENTY of lift under the bindings.
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The distributor seems to be offering product direct online - never a good sign. That usually only happens when the brand can't attract retail distribution.

I recall in the late 60's when Kneissl White Star Super's where the most exclusive ski available - at a whopping $250 per pair (at a time when most skis were about $70 to $150).

Franz Kammer was the Kneissl God in those days.

It's amazing how a ski line with such a storied heritage could have fallen off the map. Design quality must have plummeted. Reviews were iffy in recent years.
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Apologies for an iffy review.


Edited by comprex - 4/19/11 at 5:31pm
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Thread Starter 
Thanks Comprex. You nailed it. Other than length,same ski. I bought them a couple of years ago at a Sportsmart(Sports Authority) clearance for 20 bucks, remembering what Kneissl used to cost back in the 60s.
Waremat, I agree with your suggestion on plenty of lifter under some Markers.
At that same sale I also picked up for 20 smackers a pair of Dynastar CG Course 209cm Coupe du Mondes flat as a backup to an identical pair I picked up at a used demo sale at Squaw some years back. These skis I know and like, having skied them some years before I picked up my first Shaped and "Short" 197 cm Dynastar Outland 4X4s.I know, I know, but I'm just an old skier trying to catch up.
Currently I'm in the same boat as a lot of you on this site, trying to get some info on what's hot and what's not, and more to the point, what's good for me.
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Many years and a few pounds ago I was exclusively a White Star skier.  I used them in racing and pleasure.  I was an instructor in the East and West.  I have many fond memories of my stars.  I was always on 210's.  They were great rides. I was looking locally (TX) with no luck.  This year at Winter Park, no luck either.  Some of the younger techs at the ski shops looked at me like I had egg on my face when I said the work Kneissl.  I use to use Stroltz boots,  I did find them, however $1000 per pair is a little pricey I think.  I emailed Kneissl in Austria, (I believe) but never got a response.  If I knew the line like I use to I would buy a used pair just to have them.  I still would want to know if I could turn them. Looking at the ski buying guide  http://www.rockymountaingearguide.com/buyersguide/kneissl/kneissl-skis.htm  I couldn't find any of the Kneissls I found for sale to cross with this guide.  I still have a pair of 1992 209's K2's I still bring out with the rear entry boots just for laughs from everyone else.  They still feel great and I can still move the 2's well even after going down to the 180's.  The only way I could afford Kneissls when I was a kid is my brother owned a Sporting Goods store and he carried the line.  Lucky me. 


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Edited by comprex - 4/19/11 at 5:31pm
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Kneissl comes and goes.  The company itself in Austria filed for bankruptcy a couple months ago, haven't heard the results of it.


You can still buy Kneissl at the moment from Mike McKimson...the North American distributor for them, based out of Seattle.


Go to www.KneisslNorthAmerica.com for 20% off right now.

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I know your posting is almost a year old but are you still looking for some White Star 210's?

I have my old pair still sitting in the basement.  Gave up skiing about 10 years ago after mild cases of frostbite on fingers and toes and the cold just gets to me too quickly.  Not as young or resilient as i used to be!

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Kneissl M1 White Star...wjat a ski - As an old timer ( I raced downhill in the 1960) I found the M1  in the length of 205 a great ski all around.   Slightly tapered at the showel and tail - and narow under foot it has all the qualities of a tamed down carver, but retains the feel of the fast and stable down hill ski.  I am 66 years old and 166 cm in height with 90 kgs in weight and the 205 length is just fab...It is the shame that ski industry does not cater for us "lance" lovers.  But the Head ski co placed a new ski in the market: it is called HEAD GTO 200 with a radius of 18 metres - overall geometry is 116-63-100 and it costs about 700 euros (with bindings).

Head claims that the ski is as stable as it should be (200 cms) and above all very very fast...but us old Kneissl fans saddly miss the M1 type White Star... 

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Oh, wow, do I remember my White Stars - the prestige ski of the era!!  When I bought mine, in 1963 I think, they were the most expensive ski sold at the time ($199 I think), and were among the first fiberglass/wood laminates.  My 210s were my downhill racing skiis until I broke them (and my back) in the Massachusetts State Downhill championships at Mt Wachusett in March 1966. 

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