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Looking a good ski for crud and the groomers (B3s? Pro Legend?)

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Currently, I have a pair of Salomon PRs, but I want to use those just for when the snow is fresh. I was using some all mountain skis as my hard snow ski (Dynastar 4x4s), but they are old, and I want to use those as rock skis.

The Pocket Rockets can get tossed around in the crud and have very little high speed stability, though they're WONDERFUL for deep stuff and are a lot of fun. For my other skis, I want something that can do well in the crud but also have good high speed stability and can make nice carves for the groomers.

I ski agressively, but I am lightweight (maybe 160 lbs) and don't like skis that take all kinds of work to make turn. A friend recommended the Rossi B3s. Someone else mentioned the Dynastar Pro Legend. Please let me know what you think of these suggestions, and feel free to provide your own...
post #2 of 18
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Other information:

I will be skiing in Japan this winter. Maybe a week at Niseko, and probably a lot of weekends in Hakuba. I actually won't have the PRs with me this year b/c they were way to expensive to ship. I'll probably go back to the states after next summer, and if so, I will send these home w/ family after they visit next summer...
post #3 of 18
K2 Apache Recon. Great crud performance. OK for hardpack. Fun powder ski.
post #4 of 18
Virtually anything that is a metal sandwich construction is great in crud. Stockli's, Head, Elan, Nordica, etc. Something around a 75mm waist.
post #5 of 18
volkl ac-3, ac-4, Stockli Stormrider XL, Head Monster im88
post #6 of 18
I am very happy with my Dynastar 8800's, 178 cm. Very pleased with the hard pack performance, nothing to copmplain about so far and it has the width for powder.

"they" say the Legend pro is almost as quick turning but it's stiffer and I don't think it's available under 184 cm.
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Can anyone comment on the B3?

Yeah I just found out that the Pro Legend is not avail below 186. That sucks IMO. I like 175 - 178. So I guess that's out.

For Stockl's, I've been told that they require a heck of a lot of input to get just a bit of output. Not my kind of ski (as you can tell probably given that I ski PRs).
post #8 of 18
Look up the Nordica Hot Rod Nitrous. Sounds ideal for you.
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by agustaf2
Can anyone comment on the B3?

Yeah I just found out that the Pro Legend is not avail below 186. That sucks IMO. I like 175 - 178. So I guess that's out.

For Stockl's, I've been told that they require a heck of a lot of input to get just a bit of output. Not my kind of ski (as you can tell probably given that I ski PRs).
If you can find them try the Stormrider AT (112,76,97). Much more user friendly than the XL and is in the demensions your looking for.
post #10 of 18
agustaf2:

Not everybody wants or needs the same thing. A stiff, powerful ski that is great for a heavy, hard charger may not work as well for someone who is lighter or more relaxed in their approach to the sport. A fatter ski can be nice in some conditions but can be a real bore when it hasn't snowed in a week. The right mid width ski (74-80mm or so), will do a creditable job of most things without working you over.

Rossi B3: On the wider side, so it's not exceptionally quick. It is however, easy going and smooth. Better on soft snow than hard but pretty good at everything.

K2 Recon: Also on the smooth and damp side of the ledger. Likes bigger turns better than smaller ones and likes softer snow better than hard.

Dynastar 8000: More on the quick and energetic side. Not the best at boilerplate nor the best in heavy crud but pretty good at both. Nice all around choice.

Nordica Nitrous: Has a somewhat heavier feel than some but is powerful and smooth. Has lots of grip and good energy if the skier provides proper input. Can be skied in shorter sizes than some.

Fischer AMC 76: Has two layers of metal on a light composite layup. Combine this with a deep shape gives you a grippy ski with a light feel. Very good at bigger turns when tipped up, but maybe a little too grippy for moguls. A bit less adept at deeper snow than the others I mentioned, but possibly better on hardpack.

There are sooooo many.........

SJ
post #11 of 18
Dynastar 8000 or 8800 would be nice, light and lively for you. You may also like the Elan 666 or 777 (depending on how wide you want 'em). I also like the Metrons in these kinds of conditions, but they'll have more sidecut and may not be the kind of design you're seeking.
post #12 of 18
You might also consider the Head Monster im 77 and 88 chips. Both are relatively damp, stable in crud but quicker than you might suspect. Both hold very well on ice. Pick your width. Demo both if you can.
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
A couple more questions:

what do people think about the 724 pro? Perhaps I can get them cheaper because they're a year old (now updated to the AC4 I guess).

Perhaps it's because I am a brand loyalist, but I think I may try out those legend 8000s. I was really happy with the 4x4s at the time. Given that I am 5'9" and 160-165 lbs, do you think the 177s or 172s would be better?
post #14 of 18
IMO the 724 Pro would be a double handful for a light skier. You'd have to push it pretty fast to get it to bend in soft snow, and a little mistake in the back seat might get you drop kicked into next week........:

Normally, I'd suggest a 172 in the Legend 8000 for a skier of your weight. However, if you happen to be a guy that likes longer skis, the Legend is one that can be skied in a longer size without much work. I find the 184 to be effortless but not at all wimpy. (5' 10" 195#)

SJ
post #15 of 18
Why would you want a 97mm waist ski (LP) or a 94mm waist ski (B4) for skiing groomers? The LP isn't even much of a turner. Get something mid-fat with quite a bit of sidecut. Like a Fischer AMC.
post #16 of 18
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BakerBoy
Why would you want a 97mm waist ski (LP) or a 94mm waist ski (B4) for skiing groomers? The LP isn't even much of a turner. Get something mid-fat with quite a bit of sidecut. Like a Fischer AMC.
Two things: Didn't say I did want the LP, only that it was recommended for something that could eat crud and ski groomers.

The other ski I mentioned was this years B3 (83 mm I believe), not the B4.
post #17 of 18
I have had the new B3 (orange) since end of last season. Carves well on firm, great on soft groomed, good in the bumps, floats in pow, and is amazing in crud. The best allmountain ski rossi has made. I am 5' 7" at 180lbs and the 176cm is perfect. My previous favorite was the original XX in a 185cm. I also have 2nd gen XXX which is great in pow but lacks edge grip on firmer snow. The old B3 (black and white) was more of a dedicated soft snow ski though I used it for everything but the firm days and loved them also, they will now be mounted with Freerides for deep BC days as the new B3 can easily cover all my inbound needs. I also have PRs and my opinion of them is the same as yours, a fun easy ski in fresh or soft snow but less than confidence inspiring on anything else and the noisiest ski I've ever owned.I highly recomend the new B3 it seems to be what your looking for.
post #18 of 18
If you want to save a bit of $$...

...find an old REX (177cm) - crud killer but very light and has that atomic grip/snap on the hardpack (84mm waist)
...or an old im85 (179cm) - could be the most wonderful all around ski I've ever been on, smooth into the turn, POWER out of it (no clue how the im88 compares)
...also, the old Dynastar Intuitive Big or the Inspired are the same ski as the legend 8800 - they can be found cheap on the internet.
...old Volkl G4, G40, G41, AX4 (all the same ski) are the burliest crud killers out there (83 waist I think)
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