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Nordica Top Fuel binding “play” – help!!!

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Hi all, I need some help/reassurance regarding my new purchase. I recently purchased a pair of Hot Rod Top Fuels size 178, slightly used. They are in EXCELLENT shape and I consider them my deal of the century; however I had a few questions about them. I haven’t been to my local shop tech yet and I wanted to ask here first before I go.


1. I have a good understanding of the x balance system, however when inspecting the bindings, I have found that there is some “play” in the toe and heel pieces. This play is probably the equivalent to a millimeter or so and happens when holding the binding and moving the toe piece or heel piece as if you were going to roll it over (lift on right side and push down on left side). Although it is slight, the pieces are very clearly not “fixed” on the rails. Upon inspection, it seems that the track that the toe piece sits on is slightly smaller then the cut out for the track on the toe piece and is allowing for the extra play. This is more prevalent in the toe pieces then heel pieces and happens on both skis. I was wondering if this is normal as both the toe and heel pieces are “floating”, or if the toe and heel piece need to be tightened down? Anyone else notice this with their Top Fuel/X balance bindings?


2. I have also noticed that one of the bindings appears to be mounted approx .5+ cm in front of the other (more towards the tip of the ski) although both plates appear to be in equal positions, (which is very tough to tell). It is visible to the naked eye, and is very clear that the arrow on side of one of the toe pieces is set further forward then the other and, as the bindings appear to be set for the same size boot, the heel piece of the binding with the “forward set” toe piece is also set slightly forward when compared to the heel piece on the other ski. I’m sure that this isn’t normal and I am hoping that this probable shop error is easily correctable.


Although I tune my own skis I leave all binding adjustments left to “professionals” and want to make sure that the skis and my performance are not compromised once I get on the snow. Any help or advice for me or for me to bring to my local shop tech would be greatly appreciated. I have also sent these questions to Nordica and I will let you know what they say when the reply comes.


Thanks for the help!



Keith
post #2 of 18
I honestly would not worry about it. The play that you are seeing and the fact that one binding is slighly off will not affect your skiing at all. You probobly will not even know the difference. As for the play in the binders, do not worry about it. They will work just fine. Did you buy them from a local authorized shop? If you did not, you might not have a warrenty on those skis.
post #3 of 18
Thread Starter 
No I didn't - they were demo's - I bought them online for a delivered total of $375 - Nordica just got back to me and basically said the same thing - some play was fine and would tighten when i click in - any tech should be able to adjust the binding positions no problem, i was just worried that this would have a big impact on the performance of the skis. Thanks for the help.
post #4 of 18
is the .5cm difference with the brakes locked up out of the way(not interlocked with each other) soemtimes that will affect how they look
i wouldn't worry about it much either they will work as well as any other marker system out there....
post #5 of 18
No matter how technologically superior the X-Balance system may be, you're still dealing with Markers at the heart of the system. I'm not trying to start another Marker flame war, but I see that you're new and you may not be aware of the coupling issues with Markers. Try out the search engine and you'll see the many discussions that we've had regarding the pros/cons of Marker bindings.
post #6 of 18
Markers = flexy, pre-releasing crap. Those nordi's all look nice, but they are stuck with the crappy bindings...
post #7 of 18
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Markers = flexy, pre-releasing crap. Those nordi's all look nice, but they are stuck with the crappy bindings...
Old Marker bindings..... yes, new Marker bindings...... NO! Do you honestly 3 top ski companies would use Marker bindings if they were crap?
post #8 of 18
Thread Starter 
Oh man, i am well aware about the differing opinions on Marker bindings and I do not want to see another thread like that. Personally - I have never had a problem with Marker bindings - I don't have to crank them and generally come out of them when i should, and have never come out of them when I shouldn't. I'll let you know how I do with these but the Markers on my G3 Motions performed beautifully and I would expect that these will too. I did have a set of Salomon's binders that used to eject me randomly quite frequently.........
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by Atown313
Do you honestly 3 top ski companies would use Marker bindings if they were crap?
Hell yes.
post #10 of 18
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Originally Posted by Sphinx15
Oh man, i am well aware about the differing opinions on Marker bindings and I do not want to see another thread like that. Personally - I have never had a problem with Marker bindings - I don't have to crank them and generally come out of them when i should, and have never come out of them when I shouldn't. I'll let you know how I do with these but the Markers on my G3 Motions performed beautifully and I would expect that these will too. I did have a set of Salomon's binders that used to eject me randomly quite frequently.........
You'll be fine. As will most people.

Some folks are a bit too abrupt on their skis, and historically the rapid exit of the Marker toe has caused these folks issues. Smooth skiers seldom complain.
post #11 of 18
The way I look at it, if you can not ski a marker, your not a real skier!! If you think you always are coming out of your bindings, maybe take a lesson and learn to stay balanced on your skis!
post #12 of 18
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Originally Posted by skifordad
The way I look at it, if you can not ski a marker, your not a real skier!! If you think you always are coming out of your bindings, maybe take a lesson and learn to stay balanced on your skis!
Riiight....why don't you get some bindings that keep you in your skis, so you don't have to ski like a sally.
post #13 of 18
The x-balance system works great. I used it all last year and I too am using a pair of 178 Top fuels this season.

There are a lot of people on epicski who talk down products they have never tried. Get them checked out and let 'em rip.
post #14 of 18
"a lot of people on epicski who talk down products they have never tried" nobody talked down the x balance system just the bindings attached to it

on the other hand lots of people here talk down(or up) equipiment they have tried
post #15 of 18
And alot of people don't know the difference between a real binding and a peice of crap.
post #16 of 18
Markers are crap (compared to Look/Rossi & Salomon) - BUT - the X-Balance system is good enough that I'll be on the Top Fuels w/Markers this year for my all around skis.

Honestly, the X-Balance is probably the biggest technological gear advance in skiing since shaped skis. If you haven't tried it, you really need to. Its the ONLY ski-binding system that actually benefits the skier, as opposed to ski/binding companies bottom line.
post #17 of 18
Well, I'll try it. I'm interested in the top fuels.
post #18 of 18
i spent two months on top fuels last year and love the ski. i have yet to find a situation in which they don't excel.

once clicked in the "play" on the demo binding is gone.

the demo binding is very easy to adjust. any marker tech can fix the issue you described in about two minutes.
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