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post #31 of 132
MSRP $51,400 - Close enough. This vehicle will be worth twice what both of the Legacy GTs will be worth after 5 years of ski trips.
post #32 of 132
I've got a 2001 Toyota RAV 4 and am very happy with it... comfy and economical
post #33 of 132
Personally, I'd take a MazdaSpeed 6 over any Subaru product. Now, if only they'd make it in the hatchback or wagon trim (and not the damn sedan)!

-Craig
post #34 of 132
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Originally Posted by Yuki
My wife loves her little Saab
You are obviously American 'Saab' and 'little' do not go together in Europe.

'Mini' might.

I am not sure about Saab's heated seats. Don't they give you piles ?

I have never suffered with a cold arse (feet,hands,face maybe)
post #35 of 132
Limited to $50K, I'd probably opt for the Allroad with Phil, but only if I could find one with the 6 speed. I loved my Audi (S4) for the drive train, features, and build quality. It certainly outspec'd my wife's BMW (330xi), but it didn't outclass it. The BMW was a joy to drive with perfectly mannered handling. I still think the BMW is a great ski car, but a little small for anything more than 3 people.

I personally find SUV's to be a waste. If all you want is a big interior, a lower profile goes a long way toward protecting the environment, as well as the pocketbook. Plus, SUV on road handling has never put a smile on my face. I found the Range Rover to be a nice drive on the road, but that is a long way from fun and it is way over our $50K limit. The new mid-size Rover might be interesting, but I haven't driven one and the back seat seems a little small for adults.

Subaru provides amazing value. This year I bought the Saabaru because the $5000 rebate and employee pricing was making it cheaper than a similarly equipped Subaru. The price was about $17.5K, so with AK sales tax, I got out the door for about $17.5K (stick your 7% where the sun don't shine, Ohio!). Having spent the last decade driving expensive automobiles, I was concerned about stepping down. I am not at all disappointed with the quality of this vehicle (the differences between the Saab and Subaru are few and minor so Subaru is just fine by me). It is a blast to drive in spite of its relatively low horsepower.

For skiing, I still like minivans. There are some great offerings with AWD now. My front drive Honda never gave me any trouble in the snow, but I still prefer AWD. What I really loved was getting to the slope and putting my boots on inside, without having to step out into the cold. Try doing that in an SUV. Plus, it could comfortably haul 5 adult skiers (4 of which were sound asleep) with all the equipment inside. So my advice is buy a nice little Subaru for 20 and give the 30 to a friend to buy a minivan. That way, you don't have to be embarrassed to own a minivan, but you get the good ride to the slope and you can be the one sleeping on the way home.
post #36 of 132
BMX 330xi with winter package anyone? It's a fun rocket and if you add a Thule box, you are good to go for any amount of cargo needs.
post #37 of 132
Quote:
Originally Posted by staffpro
If you guys would get a new car just to drive around to and from the hill what car would you get, lets say max 50$ grand.

ill start i would get a saab 9-3 combi sport, because it is sexy, wagon so skiis will go inside, and good off road capabilities.
Way below the price range but we've got the Chrysler Pacifica AWD. We chased the IMD Master's circuit with it last winter, the thing is a tractor and is a fabulous high speed freeway car (I've got to get the speed limit chip disabled, it pegs at 115MPH).

If I was going to go up in price range I'd grab the Porsche Cheyanne Turbo or Infiniti FX 4.5 Turbo.
post #38 of 132
I'm liking my 91 Galant VR4 more and more. Snow tires for it in the winter, and track tires in the summer ;^) And a ski pass-through in the rear armrest. But enough of old limited edition rally-inspired AWD turbos.

We're starting to look for another car for my gf, who owns a 03 Jetta 1.8T that's about to come out of warranty. We take that to our ski condo in VT, exclusively, while my old car stays dry in the garage on winter weekends. With a set of Gislaveds (both of us) the FWD Jetta is a tank actually. Don't overlook the benifits of snow tires people, no matter what you drive! All season tires don't even compare.

She wants something bigger so she doesn't have to borrow cars when picking up that new bedframe or lamp. She's got her eye on the Saab Sport Combi as well. I think it's overpriced for what it is (I haven't actually seen one on the road yet), and would like her to look at the Legacy GT. I'd like AWD and a manual transmission (a turbo would be the icing). She tends to space out while driving, and an auto wouldn't help that. We don't want an SUV, as I think they're unsafe at any speed, and like to feel that I can actually avoid something in front of me, rather than having to run it over or flip over trying to swerve around it.

The German saloon/Avant offerings are nice and pretty, but there are better values out there. We may look at the Passat 4-motion wagon if we look at any German cars. It's too bad Nissan/Infinity don't offer a wagon.

I don't like Volvos, so we won't be visiting their dealerships.
post #39 of 132
Why does everyone have to act like SUV's are so prone to end up in the ditch and on their tops? Maybe you just have to learn how to drive????
We have a WRX wagon that is the car of choice is there are not any huge storms in the near future. If it looks like we will be driving in lots of snow (12"+), then we take the K1500. There is no doubt that in extreme conditions I would much rather have the security of real four wheel drive, a low range if I need it, much more ground clearance, and the ability to get the chains out of the bed and drive in whatever conditions we have been handed.

Granted you could buy both for 50K
post #40 of 132
It's a little late this year, but always entertaining to see the annual "Ski Car" thread.
post #41 of 132
Quote:
Originally Posted by janesdad
MSRP $51,400 - Close enough. This vehicle will be worth twice what both of the Legacy GTs will be worth after 5 years of ski trips.
The AWD on the 530Xi pales in comparison with the Allroad. I would take the Allroad any day of the week over the BMW, when driving in the mountains. Then again, I am bias, as I own one.
post #42 of 132
Warp Daddy,

So how have your SAAB's treated you?? I just got a 2000 9-5 this year and I love it, but it has a few little quiks and makes me wonder about it sometimes.
post #43 of 132
Quote:
Originally Posted by Canyons
The AWD on the 530Xi pales in comparison with the Allroad. I would take the Allroad any day of the week over the BMW, when driving in the mountains. Then again, I am bias, as I own one.
Then it's either the A6 3.2 Avant (wagon), or the Q7 for you, then - and not until Spring. The thread wants you to pick a new car less than 50K.

Sorry, I know it's me, but I just have a hard time believing anyone would really take the Audi wagon over the BMW wagon when forced to choose one for an imaginary 'best' car contest.
post #44 of 132
It's best ski car. The AWD in the BMW is not as good as the Audi system. Sure, I would rather have a 540i RWD with a 6 speed than an Audi A6 4.2. I've driven both, and I have had a lot of experience with the X5. The Audi with a 6 speed is a better climber, and is MUCH better in the snow.
OTOH, you're right, there is no Allroad in 2006. This makes my argument mute.
post #45 of 132
Quote:
'99 Eclipse GSX (AWD+Turbo)
Upgraed
Stylish, AWD.
With the Toyo Observe snow's I have actually pulled out our 4wd Dakota when it got stuck in the snowbank.
My 95 Eclipse GSX AWD Turbo with Blizzacks on all fours is an awesome snow car, even after 100k miles. It rides snow-packed and icy roads as if it's on rails, and does so smoothly and with power to spare.

My wife's 2001 Suburu WRX wagon (turbo, and AWD, of course) holds those same roads just as well but not quite as smoothly as the Eclipse.

But its my '85 Suburu GL 4 X 4 Hatchback with Blizzacks that is 'da bomb'. 200k miles on the odometer and yet it still runs like a clock; the damn thing just won't die. Sure, its ugly and dated, but it gets us to the mountain everytime. I drove it up Little Cottonwood Canyon in some of the worst conditions during the seven years I lived in SLC, and it never once failed me. It now handles the drive to Bachelor easily. The other nice thing about having an older yet very reliable car like this one is that I couldn't care less about who bangs in to it.

Our 1-ton GMC 3500 4X4 Crewcab dually makes a crappy ski-vehicle relative to the other three, in part because of its 4 rear wheels, but also because of its high center of gravity and its weight distribution. Adding 500 lbs of sand-bags to the bed as partially compensates for the latter but not the former. On snowy days, it stays home.

Since the current incarnation of the Eclipse doesn't come with either Turbo or AWD, if I was in the market for a new ski car, I'd get a Subaru. Personally, I'd skip the "Outback" versions as they typically cost more and have higher centers of gravity but don't appear to offer improved snow/ice handling compared with the other versions.

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Why does everyone have to act like SUV's are so prone to end up in the ditch and on their tops? Maybe you just have to learn how to drive????
In most any given set of circumstances, SUV's and trucks are more likely than sedans and coupes to rollover. Skillful and prudent driving can greatly decrease the chances of that happening, but they can't alter the high-center of gravity that makes these vehicles more prone to roll
post #46 of 132
Thread Starter 
ye guys.... i meant 50k canadian lol so i guess thats about 40-45k'ish american...

anyways i like really like the saab 9-3 sportcombi and an earlier post said they borrowed this body fom another gm brand only in europe called opel, i love the body on this it is so sexy... check it out and its about 40k candian fully loaded so thats about 30k american the only drawback is its not AWD. the cadillac srx is also pretty nice im gonna look at that right now. ye... and the audis (q7 is expected to be 60k american) and bmw are also well over 40k and i also want a car that is not common on roads and this one is just so @!#! sexy... and no one has it
post #47 of 132
i'm getting - no am - old. gm has ruined saab.
post #48 of 132
Thread Starter 
gm hasnt ruined saab, well yes for the past few years they have been making pretty bad cars but i think with the 2006 9-3 they are pulling it through all thye need to do now is improve the 9-5 the 9-2 and i really havent had any experience with theyre suv and did i mention the 9-3 sportcombi is fuel efficient 20/30mpg city highway!
post #49 of 132
A sure sign of aging is our use of the word 'sexy'. Even Ferrari can't make a 'sexy' station wagon/suv - look at the Porsche as an example - just can't be done.
post #50 of 132
grades for my Saabs:

85-900 = A

87-900 = B

89-900 = F-

89-9000 = F-

95-900 = A-
post #51 of 132
The Outback is about 2" too low and narrow. I love the wagon but it's just a bit too small. I did look at a Audi a3 and its a heck of package. Anyone have one? Nicely done. Even has ski sleeve with the cold weather package. A very nicely loaded one is 31K MSRP. I believe a Quattro version is due this winter, should be around 35K. A great car. BMW is also due out with the 330 (no comparison to the 325)wagon with the X-Drive (I respectfully disagree that it's inferior to the Audi quattro system). Will be around 45-47 loaded. The 1 series (similar to the a3) is not coming to the US. The Saab's legendary winter abilities are not what they used to be. Bottom line, get Phil to make the Outback a little bigger and I'm in. I have a quad cab Nissan Titan and I just have a problem with it's thirst...13 mpg.
post #52 of 132

Most of "US" ?????

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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
The best car hands down is the Subaru Legacy GT. Most bang for the buck and a hack of a lot cheap to keep then other AWD cars.

This has been discussed last year. Most of us have Subby's.

I have a 05 Legacy GT Wagon 5speed with Cobb AccessPort, 300+HP and all that room.

You can spend around $30,000 and have lots of cash left over for ski trips.
Who's "US"??? Is that the "Experts" on this site?
post #53 of 132
Thread Starter 
wow i really havent looked at the audi a3 i must say it is one sexy car and very comparable in price to the saab it also has quattro which is a big plus... HOLY EVEN THE A4 is under 50k wow a4 is even sexier and they both have QUATTRO!!!!
post #54 of 132
Quote:
Originally Posted by staffpro
If you guys would get a new car just to drive around to and from the hill what car would you get, lets say max 50$ grand.

ill start i would get a saab 9-3 combi sport, because it is sexy, wagon so skiis will go inside, and good off road capabilities.
Maybe some folks here are older and wiser and have tried to suggest that throwing more money at the problem doesn't necessarily yield more functionality, just more 'image'. Driving to the hill requires some attributes which involve getting there in one piece and not worrying about the consequences of failure to arrive. The best I ever had was a '77 Suburban because it was disposable so it didn't matter what carnage it encountered and had plenty of space - hell I even slept in it while waiting for the road to open. By comparison we also had an Audi S6 (actually it was the earlier S4 version) but the performance was OTT, the tires too wide, the maintenance too high. But it had heated seats, heated mirrors, ski sack, ... As soon as we moved up here we traded it in for a Subaru which in turn has the heated ... and is semi-disposable. Good compromise. There's a reason there are so many of them in snow country. Oh, think about getting a stick shift and with any savings get a spare set of rims with proper snow tires.
post #55 of 132
Just my $0.03 here...

A 4WD vehicle with snow tires will almost always perform better than an AWD vehicle with comparable tires. The problem with AWD is that it waits for a problem (wheel slippage) before the system engages. A 4WD vehicle always powers all four wheels when the FWD system is engaged, it doesn't wait for a problem.
Ignoring tires (which are probably the biggest factor in traction vs. slippage on snow/ice) you should look at the weight distribution of the vehicle. If you have a light rear end as most cars do, you will always lose traction because AWD vehicles are predominantly RWD until wheel slippage occurs and then some of the power is transferred to the front wheels. A better system is when the vehicle is normally front wheel drive and upon wheel slippage, the rear wheels are engaged.

One of the best and pretty inexpensive vehicles for the winter are the Jeep wranglers and the old cherokee's. All Jeeps have a 4WD system, and you can get a wrangler, v6, 6speed for under $20K. Get a good set of snow tires and chains and you will be unstoppable.
post #56 of 132
Quote:
Originally Posted by janesdad
MSRP $51,400 - Close enough. This vehicle will be worth twice what both of the Legacy GTs will be worth after 5 years of ski trips.
Yes, but 2x0 is still 0.

We are on our third Subaru station wagon (1986, 1995, now 1999). Works for me. I don't care what others think of me, and it holds three people plus skis inside, or five people and skis on the rack. A nice-working efficient vehicle - gets the job done and doesn't burn a lot of gas doing it.
post #57 of 132
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Originally Posted by GrizzlyFD
One of the best and pretty inexpensive vehicles for the winter are the Jeep wranglers and the old cherokee's. All Jeeps have a 4WD system, and you can get a wrangler, v6, 6speed for under $20K. Get a good set of snow tires and chains and you will be unstoppable.
I just got rid of a 92 Jeep Cherokee w 90K for a 98 Subie Outback w/85K. with the Jeep I got 15 MPG, the Sub I am getting 24, so 50% better mileage while I have a AWD and the Jeep was running in just RWD, let alone 4WD. I feel much more confident with a AWD in marginal conditions than just 4WD. All in all I WANT a AWD over a 4WD for MY driving style and needs. Is it the end all for all? no, but for most of the people it is the practical choice.
post #58 of 132
Grizzly I think you have been stuck behind a big truck sucking diesel fumes. Most Modern awd cars have a split in power like a 60 rear 40 front. New systems will transfer power in less then 1/10th of a second. The Wrangler is an excellent of road vehicle but not the best for snow and ice unless it is very deep snow. Having all 4 wheels engaged when you take a corner and there isn't any slippage from the road you get wheel hop. The hop on a short wheel base Wrangler can be pretty bad. Going from snow/ice to dry road conditions you have to keep shifting from 4 wheel drive to rear wheel drive and back to four wheel drive. Try doing that on a twisting mountain road and also shift gears. Going up to Alta the road in the shadows is still snow and Ice the road in the Sun is dry.
By the way The Wrangler isn't a V6 engine it is a in line 6 It is old and very out dated and gets crappy gas mileage! it has very poor manners at speeds over 65 mph is noicy as hell, cold and the seats suck! You might think I hate the Wrangler and you would be very wrong. I would love to have one for summers to use on logging roads. It is a great off road machine. Most all the other jeeps have a better 4 wheel drive system then the older Wrangler command trac system. The Newer systems have an all wheel drive system as well as 4 wheel drive with a high and low gear.
post #59 of 132
Latchigo: Thank you for your "eurocentric" and flippant comments.

I am well aware of the Saab evolution and the comment "her little Saab" was .. from her.

My Saab days go back to Eric Carlson and the rally Saabs of the 60's when they were indeed however "little cars". The 96's and 99's and Sonetts were fun and agile and had better snow manners than anything you could buy here and the freewheeling little two cycles were cool with the oily smoke. They were also tough and Carlson rolling one down a nordic ski jump then opening all the doors was a major selling point.

They were also bargains ... so we bought them .... and the Mercs and all of the other fun Euro iron.

Now they are bloated over rated and over optioned, not to mention over priced.

I personally do not need power windows and/or heated seats .... but that's what they come with. I also don't need a f__ing sunroof or bells that that tell me the door is open (I know it is, I f_king opened it .... Lee Iacoca).

If I had to do it all over again, I'd probably opt for the Jap iron. The Volvo was bought on the crash data after my 190 Mercedes saved my ass.
post #60 of 132

Jeep

Jeep Cherokee is the real deal. The 4.0 litre engine in the cherokee is a long stroke engine which means it does not need to rev as high to make power. My cherokee has over 240 thousand miles and it is still going strong. The best value I have ever gotten out of any vehicle purchase.
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