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Mounting GS race skis w/non-race plate?

post #1 of 16
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Anyone freeskiing GS race stock skis without a stiff race plate? I fell into a pair of Elan GSX 182's that come flat. I want to ski them this season, but don't plan on racing. They would be my hard snow/go fast skis. Has anyone mounted a race ski with a non-race binding plate? I was thinking of a Tyrolia HD14 Railflex, or perhaps a Salomon 9-14 PE2 I have had sitting around for a couple of years.

How does a non-race plate (vs., say a VIST) change the character of a race ski? Does it still ski well? Bend a little easier in non-racing conditions? Or, should I just throw a race plate on there (maybe a Marker WC Piston) and call it good?
post #2 of 16
I would ride a plate. I have only done what you describe on SL skis, and while the result was okay but I still feel that the true race plate provides more in terms of vibration dampening and edgehold. On a GS ski... I think I would want a plate. I have a GSX (as you know) and I would never want to attempt piloting them without something to separate me from the ski.
Later
GREG
post #3 of 16
Altough I'm not familiar with the Elan, I've had female friends who mounted non-race plates on gs and even sg boards (in order to "soften" them and get away with using longer, speedier skis), and the result was less than overwhelming to say the least. There was a lot of chatter on course and even off-course altough it was livable. The ski lost a lot of it's edge grip and edge to edge transition was slow, even by sg boards standards. Stability was also compromised at speed. But if you plan on only skiing the rig on hard snow only it could be okay, altough why ruin a perfectly good ski in order to save a few (hundred) dollars .
post #4 of 16
Initiation, angulation, and edge hold are all majorly affected by being higher on the ski ( in ur case lower) it could greatly comprise things on a GS platform. But all this is liveable IF u know how to counteract it or angulate harder, althoutgh u really cant solve the edge hold problem so as a temporary thing its okay

P.S ive done it and i didnt break any legs
post #5 of 16
Eh, I have always run plates, but I did go to just a bolt through lift after two plates on a pair of old 205 P10 rs supers to freeski on about 8 years ago...thought they worked fine. If you're not going to run gates at all, just a tall bolt through lift should be ok and more lively and versitle....I would still try to acheve a high lift though, like a 50mm stand height.
post #6 of 16
I agree with previous posters that suggest using a plate. I think angulation is a huge issue, and without the plate you will be putting yourself at a disadvantage. The higher you are off a ski like that, the more you can get out of it. Back when I was in H.S. and the height limitations were just coming out I had a pair of Volkls with a Deflex and huge risers on top of them...I got called out about it at a race and had to take the extra riser off. I found there was a HUGE difference in the performance of the ski without the height.

The race stock GSX is a pretty hefty ski and is pretty stiff as well. I would think the plate would help you manage and control the ski. Sure stiffness is an issue but this ski is going to be stiff anyway. Two years ago I had the race stock GSX and the Fischer World Cup GS and I always skied on the Fischers for free skiing b/c they were an easier ride. Anyway, my advice would be to get a plate that gives you substantial height off the ski, but that doesn't have a lot of metal in it like a deflex or the top of line Vist race plate. I know some of the cheaper Vist plates aren't that beefy but provide some nice elevation.


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Originally Posted by dawgcatching
Anyone freeskiing GS race stock skis without a stiff race plate? I fell into a pair of Elan GSX 182's that come flat. I want to ski them this season, but don't plan on racing. They would be my hard snow/go fast skis. Has anyone mounted a race ski with a non-race binding plate? I was thinking of a Tyrolia HD14 Railflex, or perhaps a Salomon 9-14 PE2 I have had sitting around for a couple of years.

How does a non-race plate (vs., say a VIST) change the character of a race ski? Does it still ski well? Bend a little easier in non-racing conditions? Or, should I just throw a race plate on there (maybe a Marker WC Piston) and call it good?
post #7 of 16
Depending on how aggressive you are going to ski, I wouldn't think it would be much fun to ski those without a race plate, you would just boot out all the time and learn you can't pull off any wicked, eye watering, balls to the walls turns that the skis were originally meant to do. but if you aren't in to that, then a plate might not be so neccessary.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Minnesnowta
Depending on how aggressive you are going to ski, I wouldn't think it would be much fun to ski those without a race plate, you would just boot out all the time and learn you can't pull off any wicked, eye watering, balls to the walls turns that the skis were originally meant to do. but if you aren't in to that, then a plate might not be so neccessary.
I wasn't planning on going no lift, but with a freeskiing-type lift. What about the standard PE2 plate that is on my 9-14 bindings I was planning on using? You still get lift with that unit, so the bindings would be raised at least 50mm. It just wouldn't have the stiffness underfoot that a big hunk of aluminum would have. Would that be good or bad for freeskiing?
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching
I wasn't planning on going no lift, but with a freeskiing-type lift. What about the standard PE2 plate that is on my 9-14 bindings I was planning on using? You still get lift with that unit, so the bindings would be raised at least 50mm. It just wouldn't have the stiffness underfoot that a big hunk of aluminum would have. Would that be good or bad for freeskiing?
It would be better for freeskiing, I'm sure...
post #10 of 16
If you are worried about ease of freeskiing the GSX, check out plastic race plates like the Salomon poweraxe SL and the Marker WC Piston. They are usually easier in soft snow but still offer race plate dampening that you will need on a GS ski.
Later
GREG
post #11 of 16
Wouldn't it be like putting bias ply tires on a sportscar?
post #12 of 16
Freeskiing a plated gs ski is like driving a road racing car on a bumpy dirt road.....
post #13 of 16
And free skiing a non plated gs ski is like driving a road racing car without tires.



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Originally Posted by Highway Star
Freeskiing a plated gs ski is like driving a road racing car on a bumpy dirt road.....
post #14 of 16
The better analogy is putting street tires on a race car instead of slicks...

At the end of the day the GSX is no all-terrain ski. I say mount it with what will make it shine in the conditions it was meant for, and deal with any possible shortcomings elsewhere.
Later
GREG
post #15 of 16
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
The better analogy is putting street tires on a race car instead of slicks...
OR putting some super comfy seats in your sportscar.
post #16 of 16
Why don't you get The Vist Air plate. It is not as hard as the WCR but still a great plate.
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