New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

What's the deal with PCMR??!?

post #1 of 29
Thread Starter 
It seems like a decent place, with a large skiable area and a diverse amount of trails with good length/vertical, but everyone to put it in last place with deer valley or the canyons being the top resort in PC. So what's the deal? Am I missing something?

I'm asking because me and my family are planning a trip in Feb/March to UT and we're trying to figure out where to stay. There are two intermediates, on intermediate/advanced, and one advanced skier, no boarders. I like the idea of staying in park city because of the ski town and nice deals the resorts give out ($99 ski 3 resorts/night/person) and the like.

We're also thinking about Alta/Bird and staying in one of the condos between the resorts. Do you think the areas would be too tough for the intermediates?

Any suggestions?
post #2 of 29
Ah, good 'ol PCMR. Everyone's favorite Utah place to bash. Seems for some reason to have become quite fashionable amoungst the 'expert' crowd to heap scorn upon PCMR. Perhaps the intent is to frame a level of coolness by establishing on the record that PCMR is beneath their dignity as if association (or lack thereof) with a place is somehow connected with ones ski ability.

In reality, PCMR is something like this:

- Not the best place you ski, but not the worst either.
- Not best snow you will encounter in Utah, especially around the base, but does also have good snow up high.
- Not the best terrain you find in Utah, but lot of it. It also does have smaller doses of LCC/BCC type terrain up top.
- Rather large, but spread out. Can be frustrating to get around due to long flat run outs.
- More crowded than other Utah resorts, but you can find plenty of uncrowded sections if you know where to look.
- Put PCMR in any other state (not adjacent to LCC) and it does just fine on its own.

As a frequent, but not loyal PCMR skier (kids in race program there), I still find plenty of good stuff to make it worth while. Is it my favorite resort? No. But its also not my least favorite by a long shot.

Powdr
post #3 of 29
Just to clarify. Park City is the best place to stay in Utah - it's known as 'Sin City' to the mormons (LDS) and so is, almost by definition, more attuned to vistors' desires. PCMR is an intermediates heaven for skiing as is Deer Valley which you can get to using a free shuttle (as well as The Canyons and outlet stores). Expert skiers go to Alta/Snowbird but the accomodation there is not as visitor friendly. There are expert runs at all three PC resorts.
post #4 of 29
If you stay in Park City you'll be close to Deer Valley, PCMR, and The Canyons. Have't skied at PCMR but DV and The Canyons have nice intermediate terrain and since PCMR is right in between, I'm sure it does as well. Alta has some gentle beginner terrain and has groomed blues off every lift. Alta is like a different world than the Park City resorts. I'm an intermediate (wouldn't even call myself a strong intermediate) and love Alta. I'd say go to Alta, worth a day, or two. Snowbird has a rep of being less friendly to novices and timid intermediates, but I haven't skied there. Park City is a great town with lots of off slope activity. Doesn't seem to be much up at Alta/Snowbird other than a few lodges.
post #5 of 29
We stayed in Park City one March a few years back. Of Canyons (which had decided to close down before four feet of snow came through and then couldn't get their help back), Deer Valley, and PCMR, we liked PCMR the best. Deer Valley is too Architectural Digest and slick for more than one day in my opinion -- I don't "belong" there. Canyons didn't have enough open to make a judgement. We then moved on to Alta and Snowbird, which had Alta winning over Snowbird by a huge amount, but due to the expense of staying right there and the lack of footrests (a big issue with me), PCMR edged Alta over to a tie.
post #6 of 29
Wow! Powdr, I thought that was a completely honest and balanced review of PCMR.I don't suppose you knew Roper in your past life eh?
post #7 of 29
Thread Starter 
So your saying its about average? Do you think 6-7 days there for an advanced skier will get boring? Is there a lot of terrain "not on the map" ?

What about bringing some eastern intermediates to alta/bird? Would that be too challenging for them? Would they get bored there because of limited "easier" terrain?

Now you can see my dilemma...who to sacrifice...:



Quote:
Originally Posted by Powdr
Ah, good 'ol PCMR. Everyone's favorite Utah place to bash. Seems for some reason to have become quite fashionable amoungst the 'expert' crowd to heap scorn upon PCMR. Perhaps the intent is to frame a level of coolness by establishing on the record that PCMR is beneath their dignity as if association (or lack thereof) with a place is somehow connected with ones ski ability.

In reality, PCMR is something like this:

- Not the best place you ski, but not the worst either.
- Not best snow you will encounter in Utah, especially around the base, but does also have good snow up high.
- Not the best terrain you find in Utah, but lot of it. It also does have smaller doses of LCC/BCC type terrain up top.
- Rather large, but spread out. Can be frustrating to get around due to long flat run outs.
- More crowded than other Utah resorts, but you can find plenty of uncrowded sections if you know where to look.
- Put PCMR in any other state (not adjacent to LCC) and it does just fine on its own.

As a frequent, but not loyal PCMR skier (kids in race program there), I still find plenty of good stuff to make it worth while. Is it my favorite resort? No. But its also not my least favorite by a long shot.

Powdr
post #8 of 29
Are you asking about 7 days to vacation and ski different resorts each day?
or
All 7 days skiing at just Park City?

We have a timeshare in Park City and use it every other year. Like Powdr said. PCMR is fine and you'll have a great time. It gets put down on this board alot because people are Alta fanatics. I personally like Snowbird better....and Snowbasin....and Powder Mtn but whatever.

Anyway, YES, go to Park City!! Ski a day each at PCMR, The Canyons and Deer Valley. Then depending on how much energy you have and how far you're willing to drive, go check out Alta/Snowbird or Snowbasin or Solitude or ???? You get the idea. Have fun !!!!
post #9 of 29
There is nothing wrong with PCMR and the intermediate and non-expert skiers with you will enjoy it the entire time. The expert skier will find challenging terrain at PCMR in the back bowls. There is a lot of terrain he will have to hike to. The expert skier can spend 2-3 days doing nothing but exploring the expert terrain before feeling redundant.

The Canyons has a lot of expert terrain.

Prepare to take day trips to Snowbasin, Snowbird and Alta and you all should be very happy.
post #10 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyFD
What about bringing some eastern intermediates to alta/bird? Would that be too challenging for them? Would they get bored there because of limited "easier" terrain?

Now you can see my dilemma...who to sacrifice...:
All ski areas cater to intermediates. If they didn't they'd be out of business in a hurry. They've all got enough groomers to keep folks happy. Compared to Eastern ski areas all the hills will be big. Big enough to keep experts happy. Just know that East Coast expertise on ice/hard-pack doesn't translate to Western big-hill skiing.
post #11 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by bunion
...I don't suppose you knew Roper in your past life eh?..
Sure did! He was a great boss to have. That was back in the days when good skiers could ascend to the top spot, not just corporate glad hachet men.

Powdr
post #12 of 29
I've been to out to Snowbird/Alta on two separate trips. When I ski, I tend to find a couple trails or routes that I like and I end of sticking with the same 3 or 4 for the rest of the day.

There are a few different types of trails that I go for. I think I like fast groomers the best; steep with lots of rolls to catch air.

I also like fun trails (this is kind of hard to explain) or routes that take me into the woods, and natural jumps, things like that. --- This is the main reason why I like skiing out west, I am from the east coast where you have to stick to staying on the trails.

I like to ski all day, from the first chair to the last chair. I love it. The couple times I went to snowbird/alta, I was overwhelmed a little bit, I was only a freshman in highschool. The next time i went to snowbird I was a few years older, a much more well rounded skier and I was able to handle the entire mountain. But you know what, I stuck to the pretty much same trails I skied the last time I was there.

The point I am trying to make is, I don't think it is necessary to ski a mountain that is comprised of 50% "expert" terrain. I am going to Park City for the first time this January. I plan on skiing Deer Valley also. I think almost any big name ski area is good enough for me. I can always find something there that i love.
post #13 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyFD
So your saying its about average? Do you think 6-7 days there for an advanced skier will get boring? Is there a lot of terrain "not on the map" ? ...:
To most folks PCMR is a fantastic resort (I think it was top 5 in this year's Ski Magazine Survey), but to some there is a lack of coolness factor (which is funny because the younger set think it rips over any other Utah resort due to the great terrain parks and youth vibe). 6-7 days in the PC area gives you wonderfull options. You can go to a different resort any day you wish. That's the beauty of Utah; so many choices, all of which can be made on a daily basis. Just go to the resort that you like to most. You don't have to make up your mind in advance. An advanced skier will not get bored at PCMR, as there are plenty of options.

As for "off the map", yes there are plenty of those. No, they are not a secret and unlike others on this board, I would be glad to show you or tell you where they are. PM me when you are closer to your trip and I will give you the lowdown.

Powdr
post #14 of 29
Stay in Park City, I can walk to PCMR from my Condo. I have had a season pass there for nine years. Canyon really told it like it is. Some think they are way to "cool" to ski PCMR. because PCMR is made up of many ridge lines and drainage's it isn't easy to navigate. Study the trail maps and take advantage of The free mountain tours. There are on mountain host that can also direct you around the mountain. Just to give you some idea of how close everything is here in Park City it takes me all of 8 mins to get to The Canyons and maybe 5 mins to get to Deer Valley. All are easy to access with the free bus service. One of the good things about PCMR is that most lifts serve easy blues and also diamond runs. You can have a wide variety of skiers in your group and still being riding the lifts together.
If you are true expert skier Here are some tips for some of the best stuff PCMR has to offer. The Chutes on top of Puma bowl it is a hike but worth the effort. You can also slide into the bowl on a low traverse. Look up to make sure you are not about to cross someones line who is coming out of the chutes. Blue slip bowl is fun and the trees to skiers right can hold powder for days. Jupiter bowl offers tons of lines Six Bells is a real pucker factor for most skiers. On a powder day due to wind loading West Face usually gets more then it's share of the goods Scotts bowl isa classic steep and wide open. I have not even gotten into McConkey's, Black Forest or doing the hike up to Pinecone ridge. That is just some of what PCMR has to offer. You still have Deer Valley and the Canyons In total you have about 9800 acres of skiing with all three resorts.
post #15 of 29
Don't forget the Park City Quick Start Program with its free lift ticket on the day you fly in. See here: http://www.parkcityinfo.com/skiing/quickstart/

Follow the directions and ski free.

Mark
post #16 of 29
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Utah49
Stay in Park City, I can walk to PCMR from my Condo. I have had a season pass there for nine years. Canyon really told it like it is. Some think they are way to "cool" to ski PCMR. because PCMR is made up of many ridge lines and drainage's it isn't easy to navigate. Study the trail maps and take advantage of The free mountain tours. There are on mountain host that can also direct you around the mountain. Just to give you some idea of how close everything is here in Park City it takes me all of 8 mins to get to The Canyons and maybe 5 mins to get to Deer Valley. All are easy to access with the free bus service. One of the good things about PCMR is that most lifts serve easy blues and also diamond runs. You can have a wide variety of skiers in your group and still being riding the lifts together.
Thanks for the great info...I think we'll probably stay in the park city area because of the deals and the amount of terrain. And my family will like the fact we can spend some time together riding lifts at least some of the day...

How far is it from park city to LCC? by bus? by car?

It might be a stupid question but when is the best time to go (ie the highest probability that there will be fresh pow on the hill).

-Matt
post #17 of 29
Matt It is hard to say when is the best time for getting powder. In The past I would have said mid to late January, Feb and March. March is usually one of the best. March two years ago was bust. The last two weeks in march were some of the warmest temps ever recorded. I always look forward to April skiing but that year April was really bad. Even over in the Cottonwood canyons it was just so so skiing.
Lewis brothers runs a bus from Park City over to Alta and Snowbird The Bus ride includes a lift pass. By car it is very easy 30 to 45 min drive. It is about 45 to an hour to Snowbasin. It is a very nice drive over to Snowbasin. You get to see some of the other Utah. You drive past the original route of The Union Pacific railroad in the Ogdan Canyon. if you go early in the Morning keep an eye out to spot Moose, Deer, Elk and if very lucky a mountain goat on the face of the Canyon. For me Snowbasin is a must ski. It is a wide open playground. You can drop off just about any run into fun well spaced Aspens and Scrub Oaks and or ski out off a little knoll that leads to another and into a fun little gully. There are some easy chutes and some real pucker factor chutes. Now I am going to give you a locals tip. On a Powder day head to Deer Valley. Many of the Deer Valley guest don't like to ski Powder. While skiers are stuck at the bottom of The cottonwood Canyons waiting in a long line of cars you can log a few thousand foot of vert at Deer Valley. Both Park City and The Canyons can be a mad rush of young rippers in a full Powder Manic state, Deer Valley will have little more relaxed Powder Mania.
post #18 of 29
Great info folks! I'm taking a few corp. bigwigs to the PCMR in January, after a trade show in Las Vegas. They're likely moderate skiers, who'll love the ambience of Park City, and the groomers (hence: no Alta/Snowbird).

BUT, if DV has decent powder options, maybe I can do more than just ski groomers, and applaud my collegues' marginal technique. I'll bring the fatties - just in case!
post #19 of 29
with 7 days there is no "dilemma". You can and definetely should ski all over the place. What is wrong with skiing different place everyday. It would be so bogus to ski at PCMR for more than 2 out of 7.
post #20 of 29
Hey Maddog, has your wife seen your signature line?

Who knows Roper? I love Roper, that Harleyfied cowboy. Say hi for me.
post #21 of 29
Last week, the FLIX cable channel showed a hilariously bad movie from 1990 called "Ski Patrol," with Martin Mull starring as an evil developer bent on disbanding a team of screw-ups on skis. Lots of "Police Academy"-style sight gags, but several impressive stunts... all performed by skiers on straight sticks wearing requisite 80s dayglo colors and Loverboy head bands.

I spent most of the movie trying to guess where it was shot, and was surprised to find out that it was Park City. The terrain looked a lot better than all the bad reviews I've read.
post #22 of 29
Captain, If your Big Wigs are the Country Club type Then forget PCMR and just go to Deer Valley. They will love the grooming and the excellent on mountain food. There are a lot of runs that you can hit the trees or a bowl while they cruse the wide boulevards then meet at the lift. Best place for lunch is the Empire lodge.
post #23 of 29
As a certified Altaholic, I thought I got the booby prize when I moved to PC. Not so. I've got three season passes under my belt now and this place rocks.
First of all, to get the best out of Alta/Bird you really need to be above an intermediate skier. Their blue runs are few, crowded and can even be dangerous given the concentration of less than skilled skiers- although at the same time, you'll see the best skiers in Utah there.

PCMR is basically a big blue cruiser resort with this nifty black-diamond mini Alta tacked on behind called Jupiter Bowl. The "experts" who dis PCMR don't know Jupe. They started grooming the front runs this year and (insiders tip) hit Silver Skis or Crescent on your first run- they're 200 feet wide so don't worry about the trees and just haul ass. Sick on a pow day. The King Con area is perfectly pitched for high speed cruising- any ability can ski it, the diference is how fast you want to go. The ski teams (from the U.S. team to the local schools) practice here. With the wide runs and great grooming you can arc turns all day and then wait at the bottom for your wife/kids/friend to catch up. I use it as my gym in the winter. If you like bumps, ski off Thaynes. Big as Outer Limits only soft. And Blueslip bowl is a little gem. It's real steep and fun at the top and on a powder day, fun to yo yo while you're waiting for Jupiter to open. There's lots here.
Deer Valley is a high end real estate project with snow so overly polished it feels like Killington sometimes. Not that it sucks- I ski there all the time- and everything they say about DV on a pow day is true. Best food at a ski resort anywhere, the wife will really love it, and it's a hoot to ski past all the "estates".
But I like PCMR better . I don't understand the Canyons, with it's short double fall lines and narrow trails, but people like it and it's a mile away. Park City gives you all three. They could almost be linked, DV and PCMR already share a rope now. In the future most of the Utah resorts will be- look at a map from above.
Mainly though, stay in Park City because it's a genuine ski town like Crested Butte, or Avon, or Steamboat, Telluride, etc. An authentic 19th century mining town with all the quaint buildings, pretty views and crisp mountain air. SLC is an urban city- it's 3000 ft lower, on the desert floor, and what with the strip malls and freeways, well you get the picture.

Staying at AltaBird or Solitude is an option, but there's no town, just a handful of hotels and a couple restaurants. PC is where I always stayed when I visited, even if it meant driving an hour to Alta some days.It's a great town. (but I'm prejudiced)
post #24 of 29
I agree w/ Crab. I probably get more time in the LCC area (IB & OB) than just about anyone here on these boards, but still choose to live in PC. When I ski lift served terrain, it often is at PCMR. Having access to all three PC resorts, I still choose PCMR over the others. From the left boundary along McConkeys to the right boundary on Pine Cone Ridge, PCMR offers the best IB conditions/terrain in the area.

Powdr
post #25 of 29
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the help everyone, esp Powdr. I think we'll look for something in Park city for a week and hit up all three resorts but now I'm excited to hit PCMR and DV. I know we'll definitely drive out to LCC and hit Alta because I don't know when I'll get the chance to head back out west.

Any advice on when not to get stuck in traffic on the road to LCC? Do they always close the road after a big snow? Is there anyway to "beat" the closure?

-Matt
post #26 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyFD
Any advice on when not to get stuck in traffic on the road to LCC? Do they always close the road after a big snow? Is there anyway to "beat" the closure?
The LCC is a canyon. Honest. One way in, same way out, unless you can afford the heli skiing that bases there. If it's closed it's closed. Only advice is to avoid rush hour - you need to go down to SLC then back up LCC (or BCC if you have wheels). Be very afraid of SLC driving. So go early and breakfast at the hill (my last breakfast wasn't very good at Alta though, fantastic at DV).
post #27 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by GrizzlyFD
...Any advice on when not to get stuck in traffic on the road to LCC? Do they always close the road after a big snow? Is there anyway to "beat" the closure?

-Matt
I-80 will never be a problem and neither will I-215 (belt route connector to BCC/LCC). At the mouth of each canyon, line ups will occur when the roads get dicey. Slow traffic will kill you all the way up, so grin and bear it, as there is nothing you can do. As for road closures, there are two ways around it:

- Stay at the lodges in LCC/BCC (but risk getting 'interlodged')
- Skin up & over from the PC side (not recommended for obvious avy reasons)

So in reality, there is nothing you can do to after a big snow trying to get to LCC/BCC. But don't let that slow you down. Go to PC, Snow Basin, Pow Mow, or even Sundance to get the goods while the amped out sheeple wait in vain for the road to open.

Powdr
post #28 of 29
Sundance! Right on- Powdr- another little gem. Don't worry about closures. It only happens a half dozon times a year. They're very good about getting that road plowed, blasted and clear by opening- a lot of $ depends on it. Also, if there's that much snow, it'll be everywhere else too.
Four wheel drive is always best,as the highway patrol some times turns away people without it, but a front wheel rental will work in LCC 95% of the time. (the other 5% is when you really, really want to be there. Chains work). BCC almost never closes 'cause it's wider, therefore the slides don't cut the road as often.
post #29 of 29
Quote:
Originally Posted by Utah49
Captain, If your Big Wigs are the Country Club type Then forget PCMR and just go to Deer Valley. They will love the grooming and the excellent on mountain food. There are a lot of runs that you can hit the trees or a bowl while they cruse the wide boulevards then meet at the lift. Best place for lunch is the Empire lodge.
Noted, Utah49. It sounds like a plan. We'll definitely do the Empire Lodge and DV.

Skiing is always better than working. But, REALLY skiing is better than playing fawning host.

I'm sure they'll love the DV grooming, and I'm not too proud to try it for a run or two (you can probably can really fly over those rollers). If there's fresh in the trees though, THAT's the payoff!
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Resorts, Conditions & Travel