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Nordica Hotrod or Speedmachine 14

post #1 of 30
Thread Starter 
Can anyone tell me how these boots differ? Fit, stiffness, comfort, everything. I've tried on the Speedmachines but have been told that the Hotrods might workout better for me. Any info would help.
Thanks Todd
post #2 of 30
Hi There, The bigest difference is the fit. The Hot Rod uses the same last shape of the Doberman team boots which has a forefoot width of 98mm in a size 26.5. The Nordica brochure for this season states that the Speedmachine 14 has a width of 100mm in a 26.5 however it is actually 101mm (the same as the beast). Other diferences are that the flex adjuster of the SM is easier to use on the move where as the HR uses the same rivet system as the Dob's (not a major issue). The HP slide in system does make a difference as to how the boot flexes but appart from the fit and the flex the boot share alot of similar features. Shock eraser foot board, Flex toe, Asymetric hinge. If you want Uncompromised control and a super precise fit go for the Hot Rod, for all day comfort, ease of use and adjustment it has to be the Speedmachine (but don't underestimate the stifness of the 14 as a coldish day makes it really stiff).
post #3 of 30
Thread Starter 
Great info, thank you very much.
post #4 of 30
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Originally Posted by tberg
Great info, thank you very much.
That was great info. I’d just like to add that the Hot Rod originally had a flex of 130 as does the Dobbie Pro 130. Nordica decided that it didn’t need 2 boots with a last of 98mm and a 130 flex, so they made this year’s Hot Rod a 115 flex. That said, a Nordica tech I know swears this year’s HR flex is stiffer then 115 and feels it’s closer to 130. If you can’t find the Hod Rod boot you might want to consider the Dobbie Pro 130 or 110 if you’re looking for something less stiff.
post #5 of 30
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Originally Posted by highpeaksdrifter
That was great info. I’d just like to add that the Hot Rod originally had a flex of 130 as does the Dobbie Pro 130. Nordica decided that it didn’t need 2 boots with a last of 98mm and a 130 flex, so they made this year’s Hot Rod a 115 flex. That said, a Nordica tech I know swears this year’s HR flex is stiffer then 115 and feels it’s closer to 130. If you can’t find the Hod Rod boot you might want to consider the Dobbie Pro 130 or 110 if you’re looking for something less stiff.
the hot rod is available in either a 115 or 130 flex. i'm not sure retailers are getting the 130 flex. all the larger sizes on pro form in colorado are a 130 flex.

according to zach littlepage who is the nordica rep in colorado, the hot rod is identical to the dobie 130 pro in terms of it's last, shape, fit, etc. i think the best way to describe the speedmachine is it has the toe box of a beast and the heel pocket of a dobie.

i skiied last year in the 130 pro and taught most of the time in the beast. did i notice a huge difference in performance? not really. i always felt the beast was a little warmer on really cold days.
post #6 of 30
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Originally Posted by Rusty Guy
the hot rod is available in either a 115 or 130 flex. i'm not sure retailers are getting the 130 flex. all the larger sizes on pro form in colorado are a 130 flex.

according to zach littlepage who is the nordica rep in colorado, the hot rod is identical to the dobie 130 pro in terms of it's last, shape, fit, etc. i think the best way to describe the speedmachine is it has the toe box of a beast and the heel pocket of a dobie.

i skiied last year in the 130 pro and taught most of the time in the beast. did i notice a huge difference in performance? not really. i always felt the beast was a little warmer on really cold days.
At this years annual ad staff meeting for Nordica, hear on the East coast, after they went over this years boot line they opened the floor for questions. I asked what the deal was with the Hot Rod flex and I was told what I previously posted. Now you have me confused.:
post #7 of 30
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Originally Posted by highpeaksdrifter
At this years annual ad staff meeting for Nordica, hear on the East coast, after they went over this years boot line they opened the floor for questions. I asked what the deal was with the Hot Rod flex and I was told what I previously posted. Now you have me confused.:
i just ordered a pair from zach littlepage and he insists the hot rods come in both a 115 and 130. he told me all his pro stock is a 130 with the exception of smaller sizes which will be a 115. i'll let you know when they get here. all the local retail shops have the boot in a 115 flex.
post #8 of 30
i'm considering 2005 hot rods but can't try them on. i found the 2005 nordica speedmachine 12 and nordica gts 12 in size 28.0 felt good. i'm wondering how the 2005 hot rods would compare to these cousins in fit, flex, and lateral flex.

i appreciate any feedback.
post #9 of 30
I own the Speedmachine 14 and couldn't be happier. I've always skied in race boots in the past. The SM is my first "performance" boot. I can say without a doubt the SM performs as good as my old race boots. I did get the boot 2 sizes smaller than my street shoe to get the fit I am used to. They were very snug in the shop but packed out nicely after a couple days on the slopes. The boot is stiff in the cold. Even at 120.

I would go for which ever boot fits your foot better. I don't think you would be sacrificing much performance going with the SM if you get the right fit... and it's very comfortable for such a great perfoming boot.

Good luck!

<M
post #10 of 30
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Originally Posted by bluemonkeyglider
i'm considering 2005 hot rods but can't try them on. i found the 2005 nordica speedmachine 12 and nordica gts 12 in size 28.0 felt good. i'm wondering how the 2005 hot rods would compare to these cousins in fit, flex, and lateral flex.
What type of skier are you and what type of feet do you have? The Speedmachines are good for the full volume feet - meaning those that are a bit on the wide side. Also "feeling good" in the shop does not necessarily mean the same once you start skiing with it. My opinion about boots that feel good on the shop are that they are too big in reality. After five years of using a Salomon evolution in 28.5, which I thought were perfect for me, I decided I spend for new boots. The bootfitter shell sized me as a 26.5 on the Speedmachine 12 and when I first tried it on with my thin ski socks my first impression was that the guy must be on drugs or had some major loose screws on his head. The thing was #$$%@#% tight and I couldn't wait for him to get those things off. He put me on a 27 and I felt a little better - still tight though.

To make a long story short I am now using a size 26.0 Nordica speedmachine and I couldn;t be happier. I've skied it about six times and sometimes I feel they are BIG for me. I was informed that that hot rods were too stiff for my weight.
post #11 of 30
good points. i'm a level 8 skier and been skiing for 30 years, just not too many days a year. i ski out west and prefer groomed runs with speed and a mix of short and long turns. i'm 160 lbs and 5-11. the 27.5 nordica speedmachine 12 and gts 12 boots felt painful on my left foot, fine on the right. the 28.0's were snug but not uncomfortably so. i have a wide skinny foot and a 90 degree angle from shin to instep. street shoes are 10 D.

i just bought 2006 metron m:10's at a 164 length and can't wait to try them out in a month at big sky! i will take a lesson the first day.

you may be right about the hot rod stiffness being a bit much for my weight. besides these boots, i wonder if anyone else has a suggestion for a boot by another maker that would be worth trying on....atomic's rossi's, lange's, dolomite's, etc., that are comparable to the nordicas described above. i should add that the shop near me had an atomic m 8.2 in a 28.0 and it also fit me, just a little snugger...maybe that's the way to go.

thanks for the responses and advice!
post #12 of 30
Just to add some more info:

As far as I know the Hot Rods come in 115 flex (no flex adjustment) and the web site seems to confirm this. The Hot Rods do have a more "aggressive" liner but the overall flex is similar to the SM 12 (opinion of shop people). However, I would not be surprised if there was a Hot Rod with 130 flex for really big, strong skiers. From the Web Site:

Hot Rod Description:
Shell and Cuff Material: Polyether - SOFT
Liner: Performance Fit
Footbed: Performance Fit Pro
Flex Index: 115
Buckles: 4 Micro Alu + 2 Servo
Velcro Strap: ENERGY DRIVER Plus
(by BOOSTER), 45 mm
Wedge: Full Shock Eraser
Rear Spoiler: Quick Set Spoiler
Front Spoiler: Direct Driver
Heel Height: 45mm

Speedmachine 14 Description:
Shell and Cuff Material: Polyether
Easy Entry System: HP SLIDE - IN, Dual Density
Liner: PFP Performance Fit, GEL DRIVER
Footbed: Performance Fit
Flex Adjuster: Hard/Soft
Flex Index: 130 - 120
Buckles: 4 Micro Alu + 2 Servolock
Velcro Strap: SUPER BOOSTER Plus
(by BOOSTER), 45 mm
Rear Spoiler: Quick Set Spoiler
Canting: Double +/- 2°

I recently bought the Speedmachine 12 and they do get VERY stiff in cold weather. I come from a 26.5 Technica ICON XR and went to a 26.0 Speedmachine. The boots were rather tight in the shop, and are still very tight when I put them on in the morning. Somehow they get very comfortable on the slopes. Where they lack in tight fit, they make up for it in amazing responsiveness.

I should add that I will need adjustments to my left foot, which is smaller than the right foot in the ankle and heel area.
post #13 of 30
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Originally Posted by bluemonkeyglider
good points. i'm a level 8 skier and been skiing for 30 years, just not too many days a year. i ski out west and prefer groomed runs with speed and a mix of short and long turns. i'm 160 lbs and 5-11. the 27.5 nordica speedmachine 12 and gts 12 boots felt painful on my left foot, fine on the right. the 28.0's were snug but not uncomfortably so. i have a wide skinny foot and a 90 degree angle from shin to instep. street shoes are 10 D.

!
I wear an 11.5-12 D street shoe and use a Speedmachine 14 in a 27.5. Something ain't right here.

<M
post #14 of 30
hi moods,

is your shoe size in u.s. or euro or british standard?? my shoe size by u.s. standards is 10 D and my mondo measures 27.5 on the right and 28.0 on the left. i can make a 27.5 work on the left with a little discomfort standing up, no discomfort flexing forward. but, there is absolutely no way i could wear a 27.0 on the left foot; a 26.5 would be torturous.
post #15 of 30
My foot is a US 11.5+ with a "D" width and my Nordica mondo is between 28.5 and 29.0. I tried both the 27.5 and 28.5 shells. I took both home to try on for a couple weeks. The 28.5 packed out in my livingroom and I new it would be swimmin' on my foot on the hill. When I first tried on the 27.5 it was very tight and my toes were all snug up against the front at all times. After adding my footbeds and adjusting the cuff my toes came back slightly so there was not a lot of significant pressure. After one trip the boots don't feel tight any more. I still feel the front of the boot at all times but my foot doesn't move around. The bottom buckles are on the first notch and the top two are on the second notch. They aren't even tight and the boot is solid as a rock.

Are you using footbeds?

<M
post #16 of 30
Just bought the Speedmachine 12's. Very comfy and responsive boots, with a smooth flex-pattern.

I had to get the soles planed for canting, and some punchwork. The best fit I've had so far, and by far the best performance.
post #17 of 30
i'm not using foot beds.

captain strato: what size street shoe do you wear and what size speedmachine 12's did you get? how's the fit?

i think the hot rods may be too stiff at my weight of 158 lbs. 5-11 tall.

thanks.
post #18 of 30
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Originally Posted by bluemonkeyglider
i'm not using foot beds.

captain strato: what size street shoe do you wear and what size speedmachine 12's did you get? how's the fit?
I wear a size 11 (sometime 11 1/2) street shoe. Traditionally, I've always purchased my skiboots too large - a common mistake. Hence, I've had a lot of touble over the years - sloppy fit and numb or aching feet.

This time, I went with a size 28, which fits perfectly (after a bit of work). This close fit, I've found, really ups the performance and prevents cramping from over-clamping a too-large boot.

I've paid for many skiboots over the years, as the price of this education!
post #19 of 30
captain and crew,

what kind of work did you have to do to make the 28's fit? do you have a hight volume foot, or low like me? i wonder if the speedmachines are too large in volume for a moderate width (D) but skinny foot like mine?? what is "punch work"?

as for my weight of 158 and preference for not having to work hard all day with really stiff boots, what opinions do folks have about the weight-flex issue? i'm considering the speedmachine 8 and the 10.

many thanks for a great forum!

keith
post #20 of 30
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Originally Posted by Moods
I wear an 11.5-12 D street shoe and use a Speedmachine 14 in a 27.5. Something ain't right here.

<M
Bluemonkeyglider,

I have to agree that something may be wrong with your sizing - just my five cents.

I have wide and flat feet and I wear a 10.5 - 11.0 E size street shoes (Allen Edmonds) and use 10.5 or 11.0 E on my running sneakers (Mizuho and Asics). And I use a 26.0 on my Nordica Speedmachines. In the mornings and in the shop these things are mother-tight but after three hours of skiing they I feel they were made for my feet - meaning very comfortable. I have been using them only this season which means once they pack out they will be loose.
post #21 of 30
hey gang,

i've had my feet sized at the local ski shop 4 times. each time i get a 27.5 mondo on the right foot and a 27.75 or a 28.0 mondo on the left foot. i wear 10 D in bass loafers and all major running shoes.

i tried on the nordica speedmachine 10 today (that's all they had) in a 27.5 mondo. i used a smart wool sock of medium thickness. both boots were very snug, but not painful, with the lower buckles on the second ratchet positions and the top buckles on the middle ratchets and the velcro strap pulled as tight as i could get it. standing straight up with no flex my toes were pressed into the front of the boots and were slightly uncomfortable. flexing forward brought the toes back a bit, but still touching the inside of the front of the boots. there was no lateral movement of either foot inside the boots and my heels stayed down where they belong. i thought they fit and with some use would loosen up about 1/2 cm. that would still leave room for tightening the buckles without over-tightening and crimping the shell. i had one pressure point on the left foot at the inside ankle bone but figured with heat fitting the liner would work itself out.

i'd be very leary of getting the 27.0 mondo boots, much less the 26.5's.

thanks so much for the input!


ski fast and ski hard....soar high and soar far...and do both safely.... ;-)

keith
post #22 of 30
i decided to get the 2006 nordica speedmachine 12 boots in a 27.5. i should receive them next week. i'll let everyone know how they work out for me. they should work great with the new 2006 atomic metron m:10 164 skis with neox 412 bindings i just ordered...ahhhhh...can't wait to try them out at big sky in 4 weeks.

for my wife, i ordered 2005 atomic metron m:8 skis with device 312 bindings and nordica gts 10 womens boots in a 25.0. she's hard to fit, but these were as close as we could get; may have to do some custom boot fitting around the ankles and heels because of her very narrow feet (AAAA). i really think she should have gotten the 24.0 or 24.5. she may have to send them back for a different size or different boot...maybe rossi exp 2 or rossi bandit 2 boots--any opinions advice welcomed and appreciated.

btw, we got the skis at skidiscounters.com (talk to eric) and the boots at evogear.com (talk to molly) and got such incredible deals they swore me to secrecy...no joke...but they will deal with you. the skis are perfect. still waiting on the boots, but they were just ordered. evogear has a great web site and a strong reputation. fyi, i do not have any affilitation with either company.

cheers,

keith
post #23 of 30
as you will read above, there has been some discussion about my foot/boot sizing and the right mondo size boot to buy. i wear a 10D street shoe and size out at 28.0 mondo. i bought 27.5 boots.

i just received my 2006 nordica speedmachine 12 boots from evogear.com (awesome discount and great service). the length is perfect with mild pressure on the big toes while standing up and lighter pressure on the toes as they pull away from the front with forward flexing.

they are VERY,VERY snug front to back and side to side with no internal slipping of the feet with forward and lateral flexing. i have one slight pressure point on the inner ankle bone on the left and one mild pressure point along the right side of the right foot near the little toe.... and this is with all the boot latches on the first clasp.

shell fitting with my toes lightly touching the inside of the boot shell showed no more than 3/4 of an inch of space and maybe a bit less; it was very snug back there sticking my hand inside the boot.

i'm hoping that they will pack out a little bit which should be a near-perfect fit for me.

btw, evogear.com has some smokin' deals going on their regular retail side, not to mention their outlet side. right now they will knock off another 20% to 30% off their retail stock if you call them and ask for the discount.

thanks for the help,

keith
post #24 of 30
Some great information in this thread, and I didn't see it until this evening. This morning I pulled the trigger on new Nordica Hot Rods in a 130 flex. Sierrajim did the fitting, and we managed to get my feet (11-1/2-12 or 29 Mondo) into a 28 boot. Did a toe punch on the left and some grinding along the outside forefoot. Nice performance fit. Best of all I got the 40% off deal, so the boot was $500, but the fitting assistance, priceless.

The boot feels kind of flexible in the store, but cold will clearly make a difference. I like the built-in booster strap for progressive flex. I'll try to keep track of this thread and post impressions of the boot. Have a week-long Utah trip planned for next week and I wish I had more time in the boots before going.

Thanks to Mistarong with his one and only post for some great information.
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post #26 of 30
Hey guys, did anyone try both speedmachine 12 and 14? How is the stiffness difference? I'm an agressive skier 200lb. Which ones do you think would be more appropriate for me? I am also considering salomon xwave 10.
post #27 of 30
If you are an aggressive skier the 14 would definately be more to your liking however, You might want to consider the Speedmachine mach 3 power.
Also please note that the speedmachine #'s have changed over the years with the early editions being stiffer for a given #. ie: the Speed 12 of a couple of years ago was stiffer than the current one.
The same is the case with their SUV series.
post #28 of 30
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Originally Posted by Robscapes View Post
If you are an aggressive skier the 14 would definately be more to your liking however, You might want to consider the Speedmachine mach 3 power.
Also please note that the speedmachine #'s have changed over the years with the early editions being stiffer for a given #. ie: the Speed 12 of a couple of years ago was stiffer than the current one.
The same is the case with their SUV series.
I do believe that the prior poster is asking about boots not skis.

SJ
post #29 of 30
Yeah, I was actually asking about the boots. Nordica makes it difficult to search for information about boots or skis because when you search for speedmachine a lot of information comes up for skis not for boots. As for the skis, I have a pair of Atomic SX:b5s with neox 412s. So now I'm wondering if there is a lot of difference in stiffness between 12s and 14s, I tried speedmachine 8 boots at the local ski shop just to check the sizing so now I know I need 28.5, but those 8s felt waaay too soft for me.

Thanks for your input on this.
post #30 of 30
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Originally Posted by SierraJim View Post
I do believe that the prior poster is asking about boots not skis.

SJ
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