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XT17 Icon race

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
After long thinking, and three years waiting, I just stumbled on an offer...
"New" Tecnica Icon Race XT17 @ 150 Euro...
There were also the XT 24 offered but: a) there wasn't a the size for me
b)the XT24 are decisively too stiff (and I fear the XT17 are too, but at the price
offered I couldn't resist, after all my Tecnica TNT are 12+ years old...)

I dry tested the boots, and compared it with this year Nordica Dobermann 130...
In the shop the XT17 are the stiffer of the two...stiffness compare to the Dobies 150.
But the Dobies (the 130 model) have more room in front for the toes.
Only downside of the dobies: price was roughly the double of the XT17...
As I write I am wearing the boots...
Can't wait for the snow to come and try...slowly slowly slowly...as a "Swiss retiree" like my Doc wants me to ski
post #2 of 17
Ciao Matteo,

Congratulations on the XT24 purchase . Are you considering some modifications as provided by a skilled boot technician? Modified "plug" boots often fit better than recreational products without any modifications.

Hope that helps,

Barrettscv

P.S. Every-time I see your signature I recall the superb film "Best of Youth"; one of the great films of all time...
post #3 of 17
Thread Starter 
Ciao Barrett. Thanks for the suggestion! Alas I don't know any skilled boot tech here where I live. Not someone who would dare to touch such an expensive "toy".
But sincew I do not race, I don't really need the boot to be fitted at its best.
I tend to buy "race" boots because I don't like all the adjustments that are present onto all the hypertechnological boots of today. I want simple, as simplest as possible boots.
Luckily I have pretty "standard" feet, the right foot is slightly wider than the left one but everything else is pretty "average", so I never needed to have my boots modified...
post #4 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody
Ciao Barrett. Thanks for the suggestion! Alas I don't know any skilled boot tech here where I live. Not someone who would dare to touch such an expensive "toy".
But sincew I do not race, I don't really need the boot to be fitted at its best.
I tend to buy "race" boots because I don't like all the adjustments that are present onto all the hypertechnological boots of today. I want simple, as simplest as possible boots.
Luckily I have pretty "standard" feet, the right foot is slightly wider than the left one but everything else is pretty "average", so I never needed to have my boots modified...
Simple is good. I once bought a boot that had every adjustment going, and had them race fitted and foamed so stiff that not a single adjustment was still functioning. The boot was basically set, then molded into position. You could even unclick the catch and put them in "walk" mode, but the boot would remain in forward lean due to the ultra-stiff liner.

You are an extemely lucky man if you can find boots that fit right out of the box.
post #5 of 17
you can grind them out a ton & soften the flex by cutting down the back !!
post #6 of 17
The XT is one of the most foot-shaped "plug" boots (that's why I calll it a "consumer plug").
post #7 of 17
For those in central New York, the Syracuse Ski Sale and Swap www.syracuseskisaleandswap.com has several pairs of XT17 for $55!!! I scarfed up 2 pair of 28.5's yesterday. Nobody was interested in them. Some pair were showing $100 pricetags, but still! These are the 02/03 models (darker orange) - first year they were available to the public. They had them in most sizes down to 25.5's (I think). The sale ends today and is at the NYS Fairgrounds.
post #8 of 17
nobody,

great boot you have! It freeskis well.
post #9 of 17
I don't notice this about the XT so I just checked mine. I do have ankle pockets. There are very slight indents near the hinges on the shell, and definite ankle pockets in the liner. The boot articulates wonderfully, in my experience. Not to say that it's better than any others, but this has not been an issue at all with this boot.
post #10 of 17
Maybe your boot has ankle pockets. My boot does not. Those are not real ankle pockets. Just look at the shell of other plugs: the Race R and the Atomic. The difference is huge, at least with the Race R which i have. As i said, i did not check the shell of the Atomic but i was told this boot also has them. I did not say that the boot does not articulate. What i was trying to say that a more generous heel pocket is probably better for articulation. I was told that it is a very common trend on the world cup currently to add a small amount of extra room at the ankle bones to increase the foot 's ability to invert and evert. If the boot is the correct size, it works very well to add articulation without introducing slop. This does not work with recreational sizing.


I am curious what others have to say about this. It's an interesting subject. And sorry for the thread hijack!
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
No hijack at all. This is all interesting info.
post #12 of 17
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iriponsnow
you can grind them out a ton & soften the flex by cutting down the back !!
Can you (or anyone else) please tell me more about the softening?
TIA.
post #13 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nobody
In the shop the XT17 are the stiffer of the two...stiffness compare to the Dobies 150.
This is the problem. You think the XTs are just as stiff as the Dobie 150. They are not. In fact they are softer, much softer than the Dobermann. So i think you should ski them first. If they are too stiff you can soften them. I weigh 155lbs. and the XT is soft. Unfortunately, the XTs do not have dotted lines for cutting. If youcan, look inside the shell of a Dobie 150. You'll see the lines i'm talking about. Remember where they are located and how much you can cut the lower but the only problem is probably the higher back of the XT. I do not know exactly where you should cut it in this area, i'll have to think about it. But i think you should not worry aboutthis at this point unless you are absolutely sure they are too stiff. If you weigh over 155lbs. you should be able to glex them easily. I found that the quality of the flex is greatly influenced by the foot positioning influences the heel, ankle hold and instep closure. If you get everything right, the boot will flex extremely well. A smooth and uncompromising flex without any sound, very close to the Diablo Race R.

Jamie
post #14 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I weight 72 Kg = around 159 pounds...
For sure the Dobie 130 felt softer than the XT, but from your comments and
from other readings around I'm comforted. I was afraid that the stiffness was too much for me. As it is, I can't wait for the snow to fall!!!!!!!
post #15 of 17

XT 17 Icon Race

Hello!

I'm a current owner of a set of XT 17 Icon Race boots. A few notes:

1. I have somewhat narrow foot with an average instep. The fit here was awesome!

2. Toebox. The toebox for me was too narrow, and I had to have it worked on a fair amount. It took a lot of grinding, and a little spreading....

3. Ankle area. I had the outer ankle area punched, but I have pretty prominent ankle bones...so....

4. Warmth. It's not a really warm boot. I live in the Pac. NW where it doesn't get too cold. We had a few days down into the single digits, and my feet were definitely *not* warm.

However, after all the work was done I friggin' loved it. Definitely not too stiff as you were worried about. It's stout, but not obscenely stiff. The flex is smooth and progressive. Depending on where you live you might contemplate boot warmers.

I hope this helps! I'd definitely buy another set. However, as always it helps to have a good boot fitter nearby.

Thanks!

Chad
post #16 of 17
Chadski, if you don't mind looking like a gaper, toss on a pair of Boot Gloves. They've made all the difference for me, whether I'm standing around on the snow, rippin' it, or skiing deep snow.
post #17 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by chadski71
Hello!

I'm a current owner of a set of XT 17 Icon Race boots. A few notes:

1. I have somewhat narrow foot with an average instep. The fit here was awesome!

2. Toebox. The toebox for me was too narrow, and I had to have it worked on a fair amount. It took a lot of grinding, and a little spreading....

3. Ankle area. I had the outer ankle area punched, but I have pretty prominent ankle bones...so....

4. Warmth. It's not a really warm boot. I live in the Pac. NW where it doesn't get too cold. We had a few days down into the single digits, and my feet were definitely *not* warm.

However, after all the work was done I friggin' loved it. Definitely not too stiff as you were worried about. It's stout, but not obscenely stiff. The flex is smooth and progressive. Depending on where you live you might contemplate boot warmers.

I hope this helps! I'd definitely buy another set. However, as always it helps to have a good boot fitter nearby.

Thanks!

Chad
I am glad it works for you.
The toe box is quite narrow but the liner plays a major role (IMO. It does not have a neoprene toebox. This was a problem for my big toe but after i threw in a Race R lace-up liner, everything changed. I had no problems. I don't understand why the manufactirers do not use neoprene for all their liners. Could this be too expensive? A patch of neoprene in the toebox could help a lot of people (IMO).

I even gave my Race R shells to a frind of mine who is a racer (he needs them for training) and i kept the liner. Don't worry, the XT liner is good and quite thin.
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