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post #1 of 19
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Last weekend I hit Killington w/ my racerchic fiance. She was on her 10 meter SL skis & I on a 20 all-mtn twin. We skied for hours straight & loved being back on snow.
What I noticed was that I just could not stand not being able to carve "her turns". When the hill was clear & I could get going the 20 meter ski was much better for faster skiing / longer turns.
I never really had this issue prior where being on a ski handicapped my style so much, but there were people/objects to avoid & the terrain was somewhat limiting.
post #2 of 19
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow
What I noticed was that I just could not stand not being unable to carve "her turns".
Huh, is there an extra "not" or "un" or something in there?

It just doesn't read quite right. I take it to mean that you were unhappy that you couldn't carve the same 10m sl turns on your All Mountain Boards that she could on her SL Racers.

This doesn't really seem surprising, but with some extra work and some skidding you could probably approximate her turns?? Can you give us a little more?

Also, is this a new ski for you?
post #3 of 19
What I used to do in those circumstances with my SG skis is use basicly ONLY half the outside ski at a time. Drive the tip into the snow, keeping the tail from pushing out with torque on the boot. Pick a point on the snow and drive the tip through it, ski the ski as if you only had a front half to it, when you boots get to that point, ski the tails through the same point. It takes a little practice but it works. Don't even try to bend the inside ski when doing this.
I don't need to do this anymore; I bought a 13-m radius ski for the small hills
post #4 of 19
Thread Starter 
sorry for the grammer!!!

I was amazed at how much space I needed to carve a turn...friends don't let friends skid their skis...even on opening weekend
post #5 of 19
You could come close to making that radius you want, but you have to "work" the ski harder--really loading it fiercely in the middle of the turn, then coming off of it (edge and pressure) smoothly (just coming out of the fall line) so the ski flies across into the next fall line. It's a lot of work with that much stick, but you can do it. Your fiance is counting on it.
post #6 of 19
You could pick up an old Race SC on Ebay. Wait! I think I saw one on the buy and sell forum.
post #7 of 19
You could stop worring about matching someone elses turn shape and be your own man! Let others follow your arc.
post #8 of 19
MTT, what I read there is that he wants to make tight turns, and can't carve them on his 20m radius skis. It's all good. You can do it with technique (as weems outlined) or with a ski with a nice, small turn radius.

With lots of asteroids around, though, it is often useful to be able to crank a nice, tight carved turn.
post #9 of 19
Go with what Weems said regarding the technique. If you still can't master it, then skiing on the same tools as your lady with help you. When you transition you should also work on getting across the fall line, and keep your skis far away from your body. No offense, but it is hard to match true slalom turns that are made by a slalom race ski, when you're on a twin tip with a 20m radius... it is just the wrong tool for the task if you're looking to make high energy, tight radius turns...
Later
GREG
post #10 of 19
She is probably making smaller than a 10M turn (her 10 M ski on high edge angle and flexed hard) so I can't agree with this "IT'S YOUR TECHNIQUE" BS. You are not gonna to get a 20M ski to CARVE 6 or 8M turns no matter what the hell you do. I have to agree with the end of Greg's post! Greg said & I quote:

No offense, but it is hard to match true slalom turns that are made by a slalom race ski, when you're on a twin tip with a 20m radius... it is just the wrong tool for the task if you're looking to make high energy, tight radius turns...


No matter how tight you can carve a 20M ski you can carve a 10M ski tighter.
post #11 of 19
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow
What I noticed was that I just could not stand not being able to carve "her turns".
This has very little to do with your skis and everything to do with her. It all has to do with the image before you. The eye candy, the curves that flow into the curves. Its a hell of a turn on. You very much admire what you see both skill wise and body wise and don't figure you measure up enough. Your damned skis ain't the real problem.

Son, you are twiterpatted, put down your skis, stick your ego in your back pocket and immerse yourself in that image in a more realistic romantic way.
post #12 of 19
i think pierre is onto something!
post #13 of 19
If the skis were a bit softer, you could bend them to tighten up the radius. One thing I loved with the Easy Riders, even though their turn radius was quite shallow, you could easily bend them and really snap off some useful little turns.

alternatively, give up the obsession with carving at all costs, and start your turns the old fashioned way. You can finish them with a carve.
post #14 of 19
I think this thread will end up pretty much like
This thread
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=26995
post #15 of 19
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Pierre
It all has to do with the image before you. The eye candy, the curves that flow into the curves. Its a hell of a turn on.

Now that's just damn freaky. The question I was posing was do others always stick with skis of a certain radius or own/use a variety on a regular basis.

At Killington, a shorter turning ski might help dodge the traffic.
post #16 of 19
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
i think pierre is onto something!
Sounds more like he NEEDS to get onto something.
post #17 of 19
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Originally Posted by iriponsnow
Now that's just damn freaky. The question I was posing was do others always stick with skis of a certain radius or own/use a variety on a regular basis.

At Killington, a shorter turning ski might help dodge the traffic.
Last year I got 2 pairs of skis, one that I wanted (Volkl 6 star - 15m radius) and one that was free (Dynastar 6.3 - 11 m radius). I love my 6 stars, but mostly ski the 6.3's at my home mountain because they make the most of the smaller space available.
post #18 of 19
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Originally Posted by Rick
Sounds more like he NEEDS to get onto something.
Like maybe the Hustler Website?
post #19 of 19
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Originally Posted by MTT
I think this thread will end up pretty much like
This thread
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=26995
Thanks for the reminder... Would that be bad?
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