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post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
What do you folks think it means when someone says "the skis are a lot of work to turn."?
post #2 of 10
That they require more input from me than I think that they should. I need to apply extra energy to the ski (certainly far more than just tipping the skis and balancing on them).

What's behind the question?
post #3 of 10
Thread Starter 
I think the answer would speak to the default way the skier moves to turn.
post #4 of 10
So you think it has more to do with the skier than the skis?

I think of skis that I have skied. Some of them I "tip and turn", some I "load and rebound", some just sit there and I effectively have to shape the entire turn with my legs; I have to work them.

I think, similarly, of skis that I call "full of energy", which means that I can easily use the rebound from the ski (either gently or with a real "pop"). When a ski "just lies there," I don't like it. It's "more work."
post #5 of 10
Thread Starter 
I do think the way the skier makes turns has a heck of lot to do with it.

Your skiing skills can generate rebound at will. In fact, they are tuned to it. Some, like myself, find control of rebound energy an athletic endeavour, and hence "more work". I do it for fun, but just seldom, and if the ski did not do it, I'd not miss it.

Hopefull, there'll be some more responses. I have a hypothesis, and I don't want to mess it up too badly.
post #6 of 10
First, we should ask what type of turn. Let's assume short turns, because the longer the turn, the easier it gets.

So for short turns it could be a lot of work if

- the ski is very long
- the ski is very stiff or damp
- the ski has little sidecut
- any combination of the above

I also agree with what ssh said however.
post #7 of 10
simple experiment:

ski a traditional side cut ski in a 203cm

ski a shaped ski in a 175cm

There's your answer!
post #8 of 10
It means you have to go to work a lot in order to buy the skis and go skiing.
post #9 of 10
BigE, you know, it could also mean that a ski demands more of one than one can easily deliver. For example, watching Bud rip up Big Sky on his little Solomon SLs blew my mind. He would rip these awesome, tight carved turns at mach schnell while I would watch him and think, "If I tried to do that, my legs would be falling off about the third or fourth turn!"

So, there's that kind of "work," too. That work that I experience on a real SL race ski. I have a lot of fun for the first few turns, but about the time I turn the ski in, I realize that if I tried to ski it all day, it would be like working out with the Broncos.
post #10 of 10
A lot of work....Carving tight turns between 5 foot high bumps spaced 6 feet apart with 7' long SG skis at 20 mph.

A ski that is so stiff as to require you to throw your weight around in order to flex it into the size of turn you want to carve, or require you to be going very quickly so that your mass will be sufficient to force the ski into the right shape given the acceleration. (a=V^2/r, and F=ma ---> F =mv^2/r). Either way your legs work harder.

BTW you can still use old-style pressure on the tips (while torquing a stiff boot to keep the tails from pushing out) and following through working your way down the ski as the tails follow in the tip's grove to make a ski bend into a tighter radius than it's designed for (as opposed to "old-style" pivoting/rotary technique).
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