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Trouble with Atomics - Carpenter or the tool?

post #1 of 18
Thread Starter 
Last year I was fortunate enough to get a pair of Metron B5s...I loved them...it took me a little while to adjust to the length (I am 6'5 240) but I really liked them...On my third day with the ski I was skiing a steep mogul run and I was doing very well...UNFORTUNATELY things did not go well for long...one yard sale,a long slide down the hill and I had a broken Metron...the tail was bent at about a 25% angle behind the binding

The guy who set me up with the B5s was not able to get another pair so he replaced them with the Metron SX. Another great ski! After a few weeks I took them to a shop to get them sharpened. The tech said they were bent. I did not have a dramatic fall, I did have a few good wipe outs and a flight to Utah with the skis.

I brought the skis to a friend who runs a ski store and asked him to take a look at them (I could not see the bend but the skis did not "feel right" when I skied - not horrible just a bit off). He said they didn't see a bend but all the camber seemed to be gone.

What to do now? My buddy is sending the ski back to Atomic but I am not sure I want another pair of Atomics. I believe that good skiing is a result of the "carpenter not the tool". But I am a bit concerned about blowing out two sets of skis! Given my size and weight should I be skiing something different? (I like blacks, glades and bumps - not crazy steep icy bumps)

Thanks for your input!
post #2 of 18
I guess the good thing is that they stand behind the product. I think that a b5 would be a bit beefier than the SX, but you are certainly a big guy, and rockin' 'em pretty good! I'm not sure that you'll find other skis that are much better, although you might look into Stocklis as a possibility...
post #3 of 18
Hi Mike:

I had a remotely similar problem w/ my 162cm B5's last year.

After about 8-10 days on the snow they went from being amazing to being terrible in one day.

I figured it must have been me and tried 'em again.

No mistake their charcter had chaned completely. I noticed that they were flat base to base when locked together w/ bindings. I brought 'em back to my shop and they called Atomic.

Sure enough 1 ski had 0 camber and the other very little.

Free replacement was offered for ANY Atomic as the B5 was allready sold out.
I opted to wait for an '06 B5, however but did not receive them untill May-June of this year.

Supposedly the 2006 B5 has beefier internal power channel support and elastomers that eliminates the problem. The Atomis rep said they had the same problem on other B'5 on the 2005 edition ( Silver/Orange) so my problem was not unique.

The good news is I have a feresh pair of 2006's ready to go!!! ( I still have the 2005 neox however)

PS:

Special thanks to SSh for help with the diagnosis 8')
post #4 of 18
Skis with metal layers will bend.

I posted about this awhile back when my wife bent two pairs of women specific Volkl models and I bent a pair of 4 Stars in one season. People made comments that I probably ski incorrectly or did something "wrong" to make the ski bend.

Shit happens and skis bend.

You may have bent the ski or lost the camber by standing or staying to long in a steep bump rut with only the tips and tails making contact.

I've seen it happen.
post #5 of 18
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Originally Posted by Scalce
Skis with metal layers will bend.
I think you mean can bend, right, Scalce?

Anyway, certainly skis with metal can bend, but skis without metal, when pressured to the extreme, may suffer internal breakdown that's less noticable, leading to loss of camber or just unusual performance characteristics due to the loss of structural integrity.
post #6 of 18
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Originally Posted by ssh
I think you mean can bend, right, Scalce?
Damnit I jinxed myself.
post #7 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the input...I think what I am reading is that it is not an Atomic specific issue...Hopefully I will get a replacement pair of B5s and give them another try!
post #8 of 18
MikeC13, I do not believe it is an Atomic issue at all.

Q: do you tend to put a lot of tip pressure on the skis, especially in the bumps? Are you "jamming" them? On the Atomics that you've been skiing, I would recommend balancing more in the middle of the ski, and letting the ski do most of the work. Stand on it, tip it, use subtle pressure. None of the traditional edge set or jam.

Perhaps you're already doing this, but I thought it worth mentioning.
post #9 of 18
I'm Gald I'm reading this. I am a "soon to be Atomic owner" coming from a volkl group of friends.
One of my friends (Big Guy) 220lbs over 6' tall broke two sets of Volkls in one season. Once on a jump and once with a hot run and carving like a wild man.
Volkl replaced at no cost to him both times.
See... wood can break too!
Love my volkls and looking forward to my atomics
post #10 of 18
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the insight...my friend is trying to return the Atomics now...I will keep you posted!
post #11 of 18
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Originally Posted by trekchick
I'm Gald I'm reading this. I am a "soon to be Atomic owner" coming from a volkl group of friends.
One of my friends (Big Guy) 220lbs over 6' tall broke two sets of Volkls in one season. Once on a jump and once with a hot run and carving like a wild man.
Volkl replaced at no cost to him both times.
See... wood can break too!
Love my volkls and looking forward to my atomics
My son, when he was 13 bent 7 pair of Volkl race skis in one season. One pair was due to a fall in the finish area. (way to bumpy)

Many Volkls have and have had over the years lots of metal. they have had a long reputation for bending. On the other hand I skied on them for the better part of 20 years and never bent a pair.

Additionally, my son switched to Atomic the next year, when he was 14 and is now 19 almost 20 & my younger son switched to Atomic at the same time he is now almost 17. No bends or loss of camber since and they both skied and trained clos to 80 days a year.
My B5's are 06's so I my not have the problem with the Metron. I have also had numerous pairs of Atomics and still do in the last few years with no problems!
post #12 of 18
I have had around 10 pairs of Atomics and never a problem. Bought a defective pair from Overstock.com but Atomic replaced them free of charge. They've got my biz.
post #13 of 18
Thread Starter 
It looks like the Atomics are dead and a new pair is unlikely...I am leaning towards the Legend 8000, the Apache Recon or the Volkl 5 star... I have skied the old version of the Recon's 2 years ago in Alta and I liked them... I will be skiing mostly in VT with probably a 40/60 mix(trees&Bumps /Groomers)...Last year before I got the B5s I was leaning heavily towards the Legends but I did not get a chance to try them...Any thoughts?
post #14 of 18
There's something to be said about buying something you like. If you liked the XP's, you'll like the Recon.

I own the 8000's and think they're fantastic. They're not quite as good in crud as the recon, but do pretty well. They're much quicker edge to edge and are better on hard snow, IMO. The Recon is much damper and has much less of a lively feel than the 8000. That said, some prefer that feeling. I'm just not one of those people.

For reference, I'm 6'4", 250 or so. The 8000's have been able to handle everything so far that I've thrown at them.
post #15 of 18
Given your size and weight, I would NOT recommend the 5 stars. I am 5'11 and 225, and they simply are insufficient for the pressure I put on them -- they do not flex uniformly, but rather flex until they hit a point of no return whereup they launch you.

I am now skiing a set of Volkl Pro's. A much better ski for my size and skiing style. While they are discontinued this year, Gart's in Denver has them for $300 -- quite a savings relative to their new discounted price of $650.

Mike
post #16 of 18
Quote:
Originally Posted by MikeC13
It looks like the Atomics are dead and a new pair is unlikely...I am leaning towards the Legend 8000, the Apache Recon or the Volkl 5 star... I have skied the old version of the Recon's 2 years ago in Alta and I liked them... I will be skiing mostly in VT with probably a 40/60 mix(trees&Bumps /Groomers)...Last year before I got the B5s I was leaning heavily towards the Legends but I did not get a chance to try them...Any thoughts?
In the Volkls, I would think you'd want an Allstar, not a 5*. The 8000s are light-and-lively, the Recons damper.

Just out of curiosity... why no new pair? Did you ask Atomic if you could pay them a little to get a replacement?
post #17 of 18
Thread Starter 
Re no new Atomics - The B5s were a gift/favor from a friend of a friend...the SX were a replacement from the friends friend...I didn't want to go to the well a third time so I went to a different friend and unfortunately he no longer reps Atomics so he was not able to help...so that leaves me with no receipt etc...My friend will give me a great deal on Volkls and a good deal on the K2s and Legends so at this point I am prepared to bite the bullet and buy a new pair... i can always use the SX as a rock ski...given my leaning towards the Legends and Coach's size and wieght match ( I did find the K2s a bit damp but I was skiing on beautiful Utah powder so compared to the usual VT snow everything would have felt a bit soft)! I may give the Legends a shot!

Edit - Given the situation I am sure glad I have friends!!!
post #18 of 18
Why not send 'em to Atomic... Or at least call them...?
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