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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Through viewing another thread, I realize that others are as displeased with the PSIA NATIONAL WEBSITE, as I. If you have comments and/or possible solutions...go ahead and post them. I will send the whole thread into PSIA NATIONAL, so they can review some feedback. Also, if you make comments about a REGIONAL WEB SITE , please clearly state that, and the REGION!

Who knows! With a little insight and programming savvy....Maybe PSIA will listen to the feedback and make adjustments.
post #2 of 24
I think the new Eastern site is better, but it needs a button for "what's new."
BK
post #3 of 24
Divisional websites are different from the divisional forums section of the PSIA website.

Are you looking for complaints about the PSIA website overall or just the forum?
post #4 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
Divisional websites are different from the divisional forums section of the PSIA website.
Understood.

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Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
Are you looking for complaints about the PSIA website overall or just the forum?
Either or both.......solutions are also welcome!
post #5 of 24
The NRM website is awesome. Way to go, homies!
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nolo
The NRM website is awesome. Way to go, homies!
Yes, very nice.....as is the Intermountain!
post #7 of 24
Shen,

With respect to the PSIA forum software, the most annoying aspect is the timeout when writing a long post. The editing capability of the current software is minimal. You can't see the text of the message you are replying to and it lacks the ability to highlight quotes, insert pictures and urls. Either the current PSIA forum software is either set up to automatically delete old posts or that's a feature of the software. Either way, this feature can be highly annoying when informative posts disappear.

At the time the PSIA software was chosen, the people making the decisions were not users of the forum. They made their choice based on criteria that were important to them. I'm sure purchase cost and maintenance costs were high on the list. Very nice forum software can now be had for low or no cost. PSIA has chosen not to actively moderate their forums. They will if someone complains about a specific post. Epic Ski has proven that having a volunteer from the active community act as a moderator can work. Having an active moderator is a key to a successfull online community. Since the people that make the decisions do not understand what online communities are about, they are unaware that the system would benefit greatly from an upgrade and can be upgraded at little or no cost.

PSIA could do a lot to improve their online forum. Unfortunately, the last "upgrade" only succeeded in driving the most active users to Epic Ski and beyond. Now it's a catch 22. The PSIA forum can not attract many users because the software stinks and there are so few people there. Since few people use the forum, there's no reason to improve it. If PSIA management would put the effort into learning about the value of an online community, they would realize that the time and effort required to regain the trust of the active users could provide returns many fold. Greater participation from the membership translates into greater knowledge transfer and the opportunity for more "applications" (e.g. a support resource for clinics).

It is telling that the PSIA Snowboard forum is 50% more active than the Alpine forum from a small fraction of the membership base. It's also telling that demo team members actively participate on the Snowboard forum, but not on the Alpine forum. If PSIA wants to improve their online community, the first thing they need to do is "get it" instead of treating it as a pain in the neck.
post #8 of 24
I think the new Eastern division website is wonderful. Information is much easier to find, the site looks more professional, and I find it much easier to navigate than the old site.

That being said, the Forum(s) on the National site are a joke. I don't have a clue as far as what goes into designing & maintaining a Forum site, but I do wish the PSIA Forums ran the same software as Epicski. The information & technical discussions on the PSIA site seem as though they have the potential to approach Epic levels (pun intended), but suffer from a lack of involvement as well as the awkward design of the Forums (from a software standpoint). I think the interest level is there, but the software isn't.
post #9 of 24
I brought this subject up at the last board meeting in early October. I have been told the site and forums will be updated in November/December of this year.

I have to agree with Rusty that when they last updated the site, requiring your name to post, many people no longer wanted to post. Though, you can still register as a guest and write what ever you want.
post #10 of 24
I see where some might worry that examiners might get it "in" for them.
I never worried about who read what I posted. It just got lonely over there. I heard about Epic and haven't been back.
post #11 of 24
I'm in complete agreement with what Rusty notes above. I'd only add that you CAN write what you want in a word processing program and cut and paste it into a response, avoiding the time out issue, it's just a bit klunky, as is the navigation from topic to topic and the responding to a message within a message.

Hopefully, Vailborder's finding is accurate and the revision reflects some of these complaints.
post #12 of 24
I've posted on the PSIA Alpine, Association and Snowboard forums a reference to this thread here and suggested members there respond here and there. Maybe those here who aren't active there would go respond there in the hope that something will be done to make the PSIA forums the resource they really should be.

I've also sent a message to my divisional representative on the PSIA board of directors inviting him to view this and the threads on the PSIA forums. Perhaps other EPIC instructors could do the same for their divisions?
post #13 of 24
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Originally Posted by therusty
...If PSIA management...
(Sorry I only lifted this small portion of your post)

Excuse me, but don't they work for us? Don't the outrageous dues we pay each year get us something?

That said, the forums at PSIA.org are dismal. If I post there, I don't generally worry about what I post, because NOBODY reads them! I dare say that more dues-paying members post here than on the official site. (Managment and Board Members are you listening? - you should be!)
post #14 of 24
Is not the software, it's the sense that nobody's home that's most alienating.

When was the last article archived at the PSIA website?
post #15 of 24
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Originally Posted by nolo
Is not the software, it's the sense that nobody's home that's most alienating.
I would have to disagree in that the software does suck. I have brought the subject up a couple of times and have been promised the update will take place. Now if the promise is kept is another question.
post #16 of 24
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Originally Posted by nolo
When was the last article archived at the PSIA website?
The last Skiing article that was updated was from the Winter 2000 issue of TPS. There was one snowboarding article from the Winter 2002 issue, but the rest were 2000 and prior.

With just a little effort, these sites could serve as a wealth of info for both pros and non-pros alike.
post #17 of 24
One problem with the PSIA board is that the members have heard some of the same discussions repeated many times. After all, how many times can you read a thread with flames about whether something is crossover or crossunder. Further, a few examiners and demo team members are into new concepts, but seldom broach them on the forum. Kneale Brownson and KC Gandee appear to be the most prolific contributors on the PSIA forums, but where are the demo team?
post #18 of 24
To their credit, the magazine is extremely well done. It earns ad money and prestige. The website is a service that apparently the leadership of PSIA/AASI doesn't use. We may have to wait for the next generation of leaders, who may be more Internet savvy. In the meantime, we have EpicSki to bridge the gap.

Anyone have any articles that we might publish in our Premium Articles?
post #19 of 24
My division representative to the national board forwarded my message to him to Stephen Over, the paid head of PSIA, and then forwarded to me Stephen's response, which was that "we will be upgrading the forum software within the next few months."

I think Nolo is correct that the membership of the PSIA board and staff probably is not very internet active and basically unable to comprehend the value of the internet as an educational tool.
post #20 of 24
I for one am here, although maybe I'm part of the next generation.
post #21 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kneale Brownson
I think Nolo is correct that the membership of the PSIA board and staff probably is not very internet active and basically unable to comprehend the value of the internet as an educational tool.
To give PSIA credit, the Internet Learning Center was very well done.
post #22 of 24
Have only had time to scim through it (the learning center), but would have to say, it does look quite professional
post #23 of 24
It looks the new forum is up and running.

http://www.psia.org/forum/category-view.asp
post #24 of 24
Good software, so that will help. But, if the key folks aren't going to participate actively, I'm not sure it will help a lot. However, I'll keep my optimism and hope and check in there once in a while.

Thanks, Vailboarder!
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