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How do I know if I am "flexing the ski?"

post #1 of 9
Thread Starter 
I do not have a camera on me at the slopes so I not take a picture. Some people I talked to said that the ski I am currently skiing on is to stiff to flex, but I am in the correct weight range according to the manufacture. My skis are 2003 Rossignol 9S WC race stock 150cm!

[ December 10, 2002, 03:36 PM: Message edited by: Need BB ]
post #2 of 9
If you own this world cup race stock
ski and don't know if you are "flexing it", than you may be on the wrong ski.
post #3 of 9
Originally posted by Need BB:
My skis are 2003 Rossignol 9S WC race stock 150cm, which is a great ski for the entire mountain!
Um, I think you're a little crazy if you think a 150 cm race stock SL ski is a "great ski for the entire mountain".

Just because a ski is race stock, doesn't mean it's stiff. My P30 gs race stock are signifigantly softer than the commercial version in the same length.

If you're not flexing a ski, it is indicated by the ski's midsection won't come down into the snow when you're at high angulation. This is fairly subtle in most cases. You will mainly have trouble making a carved turn much shorter than the ski's turn radius.

Alot of real deal WC GS race stock skis have a sidecut radius in the 25+ meter range, the turns are made by angulation and bending of the ski. I have a 26m sidecut on my stormriders, and have no problem bending them into a gs turn at high speed and angulation. I can make a very small gs turn on my 195 cm x-screams with 22m sidecut, with lots of angulation, on hard snow (no boot out). That's why many real race stock skis have a ~68mm waist, so they can be skied with extreme angulation.

post #4 of 9
How can you tell? Stop and look at your tracks.
post #5 of 9
Chances are that if youre not skiing tht ski very agressively you arent bending it or using it how you should be using it. I do recall warning you about the stiffness of that ski before you bought it. I demoed that same ski in NH last year and even i had trouble bending it, and it deffinitly sucks for all mountain skiing, its the last ski I'd want on my feet for all mountain skiing (accept for volkls). The rossi WC race stock sl ski is actually a lot stiffer than the regular models, and its torsional stiffness is insane. It takes a lot of power to ski on it - which was the one thing i didnt like about the ski. you may in fact be on too much ski not necesarily for your weight... but possibly for your ability. I dont know how long you have raced for or how aggressive of a skier you are but being that you are fairly young its possible that the ski is in fact too stiff for how strong you are.

You may want to try someone else's sl skis that are about the same size, but softer. Going from the junior race ski you were on to the race stock ski youre on now is a huge switch. Try some of your team mates skis - like an atomic 9.12, rossi 9s (not stock), Salomon 3V, K2 Mach S... etc but try the softer models of sl skis. Skis like Stockli, Elan, or any race stock ski out there are going to take more power and focus to ski on. Not because they are stiffer necessarily, but because they are made to go faster and are much more torionally stiff than a norml ski they take a lot more strength to ski on. Of course when you put this amount of power into a stock ski you will get it back in performance, where a normal ski will just wash out or chatter.


post #6 of 9
Sorry bout that, i didnt answer your question so much...

As for bending the ski, you can look at your tracks to make sure they are perfect train tracks in the snow. You can also feel the ski flex underneath you and spring out of one turn into the next. If i recall correctly the ski you have is very springy and when you bend it - it really rips into the next turn. you will also feel the edges bite and lock right into the turn. Once you are locked into the turn you can adjust the shape of it by how much edge pressure you put on the ski and by how quickly you go into the next turn. Intead of making turns down the hill that look like you are going through a bunch of flushes in a row, try making turns like you would normally at the top of the head wall in a slalom race. These turns are usually a little larger and more round, but you have to really be on these ones because if youre not you will slide out fo the course. These turns also bend the ski a lot.
Try that, if you cant make turns like this and not slide at all then youre not bending your skis (providing you put a good tune on them first).
post #7 of 9
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I will try this. 1st practice is this Wed.
post #8 of 9
Thread Starter 
I am also trying a new boot which is much stiffer. Last years temp. boots had a flex of 50 which was not adequate.

post #9 of 9
Invest in one of those throw away cameras .... something like $6.99.

Place a hat or something on the snow. Have a friend stand across the hill from the object and pre-focus on the hat or whatever. Now, your job is to make that nice round turn with an edged (hopefully bent) ski around the hat and with a few shots, you should have some evidence regarding the bend.

Got some nice shots last season of my son on his Stockli SL's and seeing the bend was the best part. Shots with a throw away will be a bit blurry. One of your friends must have one of those small digital cameras?

[ December 10, 2002, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: yuki ]
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