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post #1 of 18
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I'm looking for some advice on skis for hard (read "eastern") conditons, I'm an intermidate/advanced skier, 5'10", 165 lbs. 2 models that I've heard about are
Dynastar Skicross 8 or 9 and Atomic C8:18, any ideas. Thanks
post #2 of 18
Glenn, there are a bunch you need to be more specific as to the conditions or type of skiing, GS, Slalom, only hard-pack, mixed, etc. Do you ski with modern technique, skid or what. You may want to look at skis in the 66-68mm waiste range, Fischer Race line, RX8, heads Ixrc 1200, 1100, Super shapes, Atomic SX line, Volkl super star, etc., K2's etc.
post #3 of 18
[quote=glennm9]I'm looking for some advice on skis for hard (read "eastern") conditons, I'm an intermidate/advanced skier, 5'10", 165 lbs. 2 models that I've heard about are
Dynastar Skicross 8 or 9 and Atomic C8:18, any ideas. Thanks[/QUOTE

i'd go with some short slaloms that are not too hardcore. my 155 salomon 3v's work great in PA. great on ice of course, & they have a fun sidecut & can still make good big fast turns.

the biggest negative for me is at slow speeds they don't respond well.
post #4 of 18

Same purpose, Head I.SL Chips

Glenn:

For similar purposes, I got a pair of Head i.SL Chips. My analysis was that this ski (as opposed to the Fischer RX8 type, for example) is very amenable to slower skiing (greens with my grandkids for example) and still stiffens in response to increased stresses and speeds. Wonderfully versatile, has most of the ability of 'high-end' skis like the Head i.SL, for example, (which is much more demanding) or RX8 while retaining much of the low-end versatility of a lesser ski.

Just one opinion, I'm sure you'll get more.
post #5 of 18
You may want to demo these:
Rossi B1
Volkl 5 star
Atomic SX:10
Three different skis that share good edge grip and carving ability for those "eastern" conditions
post #6 of 18
[quote=mpskier]
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Originally Posted by glennm9
I'm looking for some advice on skis for hard (read "eastern") conditons, I'm an intermidate/advanced skier, 5'10", 165 lbs. 2 models that I've heard about are
Dynastar Skicross 8 or 9 and Atomic C8:18, any ideas. Thanks[/QUOTE

i'd go with some short slaloms that are not too hardcore. my 155 salomon 3v's work great in PA. great on ice of course, & they have a fun sidecut & can still make good big fast turns.
don't let Highway star hear that!
post #7 of 18
Canyons,

Quote:
You may want to demo these:
Rossi B1
Volkl 5 star
Atomic SX:10
Three different skis that share good edge grip and carving ability for those "eastern" conditions
Great advice! All great skis for an intermedite/advanced skier and can take him to advanced/expert level. Some of the other choices mentioned here and ones I was thinking of are more expert skis.

RW
post #8 of 18
I am the same size as you with an 5 extra pounds. I am about the same level skier as you too. My short list of skis are:

Dynastar Contact 9, 165cm
Fischer RX6, 165cm
Volkl 5*, 168cm

I am not a fan of the Atomic bindings, so they are out. Skicross skis are all-mountainish and typically okay on eastern ice and hardpack but not great. True carvers work better unless you plan on going off piste.

-Scott
post #9 of 18
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Originally Posted by gandalf
Glenn:

For similar purposes, I got a pair of Head i.SL Chips. My analysis was that this ski (as opposed to the Fischer RX8 type, for example) is very amenable to slower skiing (greens with my grandkids for example) and still stiffens in response to increased stresses and speeds. Wonderfully versatile, has most of the ability of 'high-end' skis like the Head i.SL, for example, (which is much more demanding) or RX8 while retaining much of the low-end versatility of a lesser ski.

Just one opinion, I'm sure you'll get more.
Just to chime in here, I ski RX8s and while they do really come alive at speed, I've never found them to be particularly sluggish or slow to initiate at slower speeds. Of course, they're such a pair of rockets you want to fly on them, but that's another issue .

-Craig
post #10 of 18
The RX8s work just as well at slow speeds as they do when clipping along briskly, though some have said they might be too stiff or have too small a sweet spot or be too much ski for an intermediate. RX6 might be closer if that's the case.

I really don't see much advantage in taking SX10 over SX11; the 11 will take you farther and doesn't seem all that more demanding than the 10. In fact they feel very similar until you reach higher speeds or demand harder forces from them than the 10 can give.

The bandit would be good if you plan on going off-piste, but it wouldn't be my first choice for "hard" conditions.

You should also consider Solomon Equipe 10SC if you like short turns as well as Rossi's 9S Oversize and for long turns 9X oversize; you might find some good left-over deals on these great skis.
post #11 of 18
stöckli Laser SL. i skied sheer ice on these, when everbody else on the hill was slipping away. welll..., but you get the picture. outstanding skis.
post #12 of 18
FWIW:
I would look more toward the: torsonaly stiffer skis: volkl stars, fischers amc/rx, atomics sx series

I would tend to avoid the noodles: rossi bandits, solis, even dynastar is a little soft for may hard snow taste

-Fellow eastern ice bum
post #13 of 18
Glenn : here's apretty good review for youy based onthis I and 5 of my friends all EASTERN Hardpack skiers (25/30 days /yr ) bought the SX10 . To a man we love them but hey DEMO DEMO DEMO

This review was by my buddy "Weirkong"

I'm an Eastern skier. Last Monday I demoed skis that I had narrowed down from various sources based on what was important to me. Before the demo the Head i.XRC 1100 chip was on top of my list with all of the following tied for 2nd place: Elan S12, Fischer RX8, Volkl 5*. I demoed all of these plus the Rossi 9S Oversize and the Atomic SX10 ( I had not actually considered these because I didn't care for the Metrons, and the waist of the SX10 seemed a little narrow compared to most of the others I was considering). My impressions at the end of the day (rating 1-5, lower number better):
#1 SX10 Smooth, great edge hold, stable at speed, responds to allmost anything asked of it ----- with ease.
#2 Elan S12 damp, great edge hold, stable at speed, blasts through crud, but a little more demanding than the Atomics.
#3 RX8 similar to the S12 but more energy, very turny (maybe too turny for me)
#4Rossi 9S competent but not great overall, except speed
#5 1100 chip and 5* both probably best edge grip of all the skis tested but also seemed the most demanding -- seemed to take more effort to turn at low speed especially.

Please note: All of these impressions are based on my skiing level and technique (also can't discount the tune of each ski). Other skiers may have different conclusions.

A local store had a great deal on the SX10. I bought them yesterday, and skied them today. This is a FUN ski. Performed very well in every situation and didn't beat me up. They were equally proficient going fast or slow, on hard snow or chopped up snow. Many times after purchasing something, I question my decision. This is NOT the case with the SX10 --- I am completely satisfied with them.

My experience emphasizes the importance of the demo! Reviews/advice/recommendations from others are good to whittle down the field, but individuals vary in their level, technique, likes, dislikes, etc, etc. The final decision is best done as a result of demoing. Sometimes, as in my case, you're surprised and end up liking a ski that you really weren't seriously considering.
post #14 of 18
Warp Daddy,

What size SX10's did you buy.
What do recommend for 200lb 6' 2" for the SX series
post #15 of 18
airkewled

all of us are between 6'0-6'2" all but my son weigh between 195-210 lbs and we're on 170's --- the lite guy -my son @150lbs is on 160's :
post #16 of 18
Are you looking for an all-mountain ski with bias on the groomed (68mm underfoot), hard-snow carver (slalom race ski in 165-170, probably not race stock), or short SkierCross ski (typically a GS-like ski with more sidecut)?

There are a bunch of good ones. I wrote a review awhile back of hard-snow/carving/all-mountain groomed oriented skis I have tried (can't seem to find it though). If you are interested in a good hard snow ski, the iXRC 1200 SW in, say a 163 is hard to beat (especially if you ski fast), as is the i-SL Chip in 165. The Elan SX Fusion Pro is very good as well, as is the SX10 from Atomic. Elan S-series (8 and 12) are more all-mountain skis that perform well on hardpack. The Ripstick is their answer to the 1200 SW. Ditto for the RX8, although a little more "slalomy" than the S-series. Dynastars are pretty smooth, although not quite as powerful and stable as some of their Austrian counterparts. Fischer makes the superb RX8 (mentioned above) as well as the Worldcup SC, a fabulous carver. To give you a comparison, I skied the i-Slalom from Head last season, and found it very comparable to the RX8 and S12 in similiar lengths. One was marketed as a "race" ski, the other as "all-mountain" but in reality, there was no difference. The iXRC 1200SW, OTOH, feels like a GS race ski with sidecut, and has a higher speed limit when not way up on edge. Lots of good skis: I bet you would like any of the ones above. I am not real familiar with the Rossi/Volkl stuff, and don't care for the K2 Crossfire (pretty soft and smooth, not really what I look for in a ski, although some like it).
post #17 of 18
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Originally Posted by glennm9
I'm looking for some advice on skis for hard (read "eastern") conditons, I'm an intermidate/advanced skier, 5'10", 165 lbs. 2 models that I've heard about are
Dynastar Skicross 8 or 9 and Atomic C8:18, any ideas. Thanks
Go to ebay and buy a used pair of Volant Superkarves (likely you can get some with bindings for under $100), then spend the money you save on having a full tune in the shop, and week's worth of tickets.:

Edit: Seriously, there's a pair of 183 Superkarves with Tyrolia 790 Palladium bindings on ebay right now, the bases look sweet. With four days, 22 hrs left in the auction, they are at $10 (no bids yet). Regardless of what the ad says, the Superkarve is a forgiving, silky smooth, ski quite appropriate for intermediates through easygoing experts.
post #18 of 18
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Originally Posted by dawgcatching
There are a bunch of good ones. I wrote a review awhile back of hard-snow/carving/all-mountain groomed oriented skis I have tried (can't seem to find it though).

dawgcatching:

Was it this?
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=22962
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