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Good catch, but in fact the 83.5 was while still on skis, not in the car going home. You are correct that I forgot to switch it off but was actually checking the speeds each run. Not that far out of normal. Ski tracks regularly shows 60+ on GS skis


and just to confirm, I went back into history to get the speed track.....:)   As you can see as this was my first time on a DH ski for a couple of years (and the first time on this particular ski) it shows a build up over 4 runs from the low 60s .....and then you can see where I switched back to a GS ski...

post #452 of 491
I don't ski as fast as I used to but on our Midwest slopes I'm between 18 & 33 according to a couple of ski tracking apps I've tried this year. When in the Rockies I can let them run a bit more but I didn't have the tracking apps then. I'm eager to see next year.
Anyone know how accurate these apps are?
post #453 of 491
I'm pretty sure everyone in Ontario skis faster than me.smile.gif
post #454 of 491
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and just to confirm, I went back into history to get the speed track.....:)   As you can see as this was my first time on a DH ski for a couple of years (and the first time on this particular ski) it shows a build up over 4 runs from the low 60s .....and then you can see where I switched back to a GS ski...


I am going to troll a little:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downhill

Average speed of downhill skier is about 80 mph (assuming really good slope, no other skiers, special equipment and ski suite). You are doing pretty well, considering that you don't have anything above and skiing on the public, not race course. Have you though about applying to US or Canada Olympic ski team?

post #455 of 491

It's a lot easier when you don't have to make the gates.  However, if you crash, well, good luck with that.

post #456 of 491
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Anyone know how accurate these apps are?

 

Fairly? With a good signal from multiple GPS satellites, and on a straight line, they can be very accurate. I've run mine in my car several times and it very much matches the speedometer (I might have reported on that earlier in this thread).

 

So it should be fairly accurate as long as it's got a good signal... though it's probably somewhat still prone to glitches, particularly in factoring in drops and tight turns on a mountain. I know at least one time when SkiTracks clocked me at over 30 MPH as I got off the lift at the top. And I'm pretty sure the lift doesn't eject you that fast.

post #457 of 491
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I am going to troll a little:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downhill

Average speed of downhill skier is about 80 mph (assuming really good slope, no other skiers, special equipment and ski suite). You are doing pretty well, considering that you don't have anything above and skiing on the public, not race course. Have you though about applying to US or Canada Olympic ski team?

 

I'll add to this a little.... a bit earlier in the thread were some links to TGR threads where some folks go out every year with a radar gun to see how fast they really go. (Like this post  : http://www.epicski.com/t/30993/how-fast-do-you-ski/420#post_1873841 ). So some of this is re-hash... 

 

Top speed last year (May 2015) was 71 MPH. That was reportedly on a relatively ungroomed slope, and the supposition was that they'd have seen much faster speeds on a better slope. In past years they've had folks in the 80s, including some who weren't on DH skis, and I get the idea from the threads that no one is wearing a speed suit.  

 

So it is possible - though also possibly dangerous - to go that fast.

post #458 of 491
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Fairly? With a good signal from multiple GPS satellites, and on a straight line, they can be very accurate. I've run mine in my car several times and it very much matches the speedometer (I might have reported on that earlier in this thread).

 

So it should be fairly accurate as long as it's got a good signal... though it's probably somewhat still prone to glitches, particularly in factoring in drops and tight turns on a mountain. I know at least one time when SkiTracks clocked me at over 30 MPH as I got off the lift at the top. And I'm pretty sure the lift doesn't eject you that fast.

Agree, GPS is going to be accurate most of the time.  But the issue with a max speed calculation is that it needs consistent data ALL of the time for your entire trace.  1 glitchy datapoint  is going to throw the max speed calculation out of whack since it's just calculating the change in position.

 

The GPS is going to have the hardest time skiing, as you're right on a rocky ice mountain, where there are reflected signals to throw off the gps.  Additionally there's no secondary signals like multiple cell towers and wifi for it to help with the gps calculations. 

post #459 of 491
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But the issue with a max speed calculation is that it needs consistent data ALL of the time for your entire trace.  1 glitchy datapoint  is going to throw the max speed calculation out of whack since it's just calculating the change in position. 

 

True, but it does show you all of the intermediate speed calculations too. If it's got a good positional fix along a trace, those should be accurate.

 

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Additionally there's no secondary signals like multiple cell towers and wifi for it to help with the gps calculations. 

 

That depends on where you ski... I've had great cell reception some places, so I'd imagine it might be getting multiple towers.

post #460 of 491

According to the app my buddy Travis hit 72 on Anderson's the weekend before last.  He came into the top with a head of steam and straightlined the entire pitch.  It was groomed and crisp, I have no doubt the speed shown was correct.  (BTW, it was on pins, way faster than I'd like to go on Tele's.)

 

I'll have to get ahold of Endless and see when it's going down this season again.

post #461 of 491
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Originally Posted by Oleg S View Post
 


I am going to troll a little:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downhill

Average speed of downhill skier is about 80 mph (assuming really good slope, no other skiers, special equipment and ski suite). You are doing pretty well, considering that you don't have anything above and skiing on the public, not race course. Have you though about applying to US or Canada Olympic ski team?


pretty poor troll...:).   I make no claim to be averaging 83. It was simply a fastest speed recorded on the app. I make no claims to the veracity or otherwise of it.... And, as a regular, and fairly successful Masters racer, I am well aware of the difference....and also how you can max out top speed by straightlining the last pitch....;)

post #462 of 491

I am not a ski instructor.

I do not pretend to ski with such precision, balance and slope mastery as as ski instructor would...especially at speed.

But I would say I typically like to ski faster than anybody on any given slope at any time.

 

To even ask this dorkie question you must either really suck or suck worse. 

post #463 of 491
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To even ask this dorkie question you must either really suck or suck worse. 

 

Are you talking about the question "How fast do you ski?" If so, can't it just be curiosity? I know I've enjoyed this thread, and don't see ANY relationship to asking that question and sucking.

 

Do you think the guys getting out the radar gun and hitting 80 MPH suck? If so, that seems kind of ludicrous to me.

post #464 of 491

If you can do 80MPH through Wally World without killing someone then you can ski.

post #465 of 491
Just because one can do 70-80 in a straight line doesn't mean much about ability at normal speeds. The ability needed at speed in a straight line is to be calm, absorb the terrain variations, and use as little edge as possible. This is definitely a skill, but may not be present with other skills.

Hermann Maier liked super g because it had less gliding sections compared to downhill. He considered gliding at 70-80 mph boring, much prefering to rip out a turn on a pitch at 40-50 mph. Lol, he was the Hermanator after all.
post #466 of 491
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Just because one can do 70-80 in a straight line doesn't mean much about ability at normal speeds. The ability needed at speed in a straight line is to be calm, absorb the terrain variations, and use as little edge as possible. This is definitely a skill, but may not be present with other skills.
 

I would agree with you.  But, all of the folks I've seen that are capable of keeping that calm terrain absorbing style are usually quite proficient at turning as well.

post #467 of 491
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I'm calling BS on this one.  
BK 

Don't. ScottSkier knows what he's doing and he knows speed on snow. I checked Ski Trax against the truck speedometer and it was right there.
post #468 of 491

It's a lot harder to ski slow than to ski fast. Just sayin'.

post #469 of 491
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It's a lot harder to ski slow than to ski fast. Just sayin'.

 

Is that a plug for skiing fast or slow?

post #470 of 491
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It's a lot harder to ski slow than to ski fast. Just sayin'.

 

Is that a plug for skiing fast or slow?

Neither. Just an observation. And you can usually tell looking at someone if they're going fast because they want to or because they can't slow down. Also, as someone else mentioned--it's one thing to go fast on a wide open trail and another to do it while making the gates. (Watching the US National GS at Squaw on Dogleg a couple years ago I watched Ligetty wipe out. I've skied that run a number of times and never fallen, but then I wasn't doing 50 and trying to make gates. BTW--the racers thought that course was steeper and harder than any of the WC courses. It's also where the Squaw race kids train because of the steepness and because it's naturally very firm.)

post #471 of 491
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It's a lot easier when you don't have to make the gates.  However, if you crash, well, good luck with that.


True that.

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I'll have to get ahold of Endless and see when it's going down this season again.

 



Game on... http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/301933-It-s-Time-14th-Annual-Radar-Speed-Trap-Day-is-upon-us
post #473 of 491

My 2 cents is that basically you usually feel a lot faster than you are actually going, and your skis limit you as much as your legs or the steepness. I was a mediocre high school racer and still ski kind of like one. I go up on Mt Hood in the summer sometimes with all the racers, and sometimes if you get there on a weekday you can get a lot of room to yourself (which is mandatory for higher speeds imo). I just have kind of all around GS skis, but sometimes when there is room and the snow is right it's fun to open them up and make some fast turns. It's a pretty steep slope by resort standards, hate to think about straightlining it, but I'll make turns that feel like they are really "pulling g's" where my hands and hips are just inches from the snow or touching and my legs are pistoning like you see in the racers. It feels really incredible and fun if the snow is predictable, sometimes the turns are over 100 yards in length and maybe 70-80 yards in girth (if you tighten them up the transition from side to side is almost like flying). Anyway it feels really fast (it's not exactly Kitzbuhl), and I've logged in on my wristwatch GPS before. I'm not sure how accurate it is, but most of the time when I'm doing that type of skiing I'm in the 35-45 zone, and occasional get into the low 50s which I'm not sure if it that happens in the 2nd half of the turn as I start to kind of whip out of it, but I don't know. I would say that it feels very fast, very much at the edge of what my skis, legs, and eyes can handle, kind of like doing repeated leg presses. I'm not sure how it would feel with DH skis, but this is a very equipment oriented sport. Most skis like cars are not built for high speeds. Ski them in their intended speed zone and they feel great, but if you hit 100 in your prius it's probably going to feel pretty sketchy if it can even get up to that speed. If you're driving a Tesla you'll probably feel uncomfortable at speed before it does.

post #474 of 491
This thread remains wicked pissah

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This thread remains wicked pissah

 

Yeah, and those linked TGR speed threads are wicked f'in pissah.

post #476 of 491

I have an app that uses gps and measures your speed and my fastest was around 38 and usually average around 25-30.  I could see someone getting up to 50 on longer open runs.  But at most resorts you should really watch your speed for the safety of others and yourself.  Not sure how accurate the gps apps are but i would think it's pretty accurate.

post #477 of 491
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I have an app that uses gps and measures your speed and my fastest was around 38 and usually average around 25-30.  I could see someone getting up to 50 on longer open runs.  But at most resorts you should really watch your speed for the safety of others and yourself.  Not sure how accurate the gps apps are but i would think it's pretty accurate.

 

There another thread on here somewhere where I posted more detail, but I measured my GPS app (Ski Tracks) driving around in my car and it was very accurate. But it's accuracy will also be determined by how good a signal it's receiving from the GPS satellites, so it's still somewhat variable. 

post #478 of 491

Really depends on conditions.  Fastest I know of is high 60's topping out at 72 mph on a buddy's skitracks.  He and I were basically neck and neck.  Rarely can we do that sort of thing, it was late season with fairly hard snow and thin enough crowds that we could get the run to ourselves.  It's also a run with a lot of visibility below and on the sides, so I knew I could stop or change direction before something unexpected would impede me.  We did about 8 runs like that.  For anyone who know's snowbird it was mark malu off the end of road to provo, down to little-cloud.  Felt that fast straightlining regulator as well.  That's pretty rare, needs good grooming, empty runs, and I can only do it in one specific pair of skis.  Knowing what 60-70 feels like I'd say I average 30-50 depending on how crowded it is, what gear I am on, and if the angle will let me.  Around crowds it's probably closer to 10-25.  Regardless of the speed I'm a fairly controlled skier.  After seeing my buddy's skitracks for last season I just downloaded it so I have a better idea of how fast I am typically skiing different runs in the future.


Edited by gobbly - 12/22/16 at 5:26pm
post #479 of 491
Well according to this app somebody will break 100mph
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Originally Posted by Hoben02 View Post

Well according to this app somebody will break 100mph

 

Any idea how that app/list works? Could someone be cheating with the app on in their car? :D

 

Those speeds are possible but unlikely... And there could be glitches... If you read through the TGR threads, those folks who are trying to go as fast as possible every year and in good conditions usually only get into the 80s. 

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