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Rossi Z9s or Nordica Top Fuel??

post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
Hi all,

New to the website today, so sorry if these skiis have been discussed to death. I've been skiing on some Atomic Beta Race 9 20s for the last 4 years and have absolutely loved every minute on them but, alas, they are pretty much ready to retire.

I mainly ski east coast ice and hard pack, and mostly spend my time doing high speed carvs but I do hit the trees and bumps whenever the snow permits. I also head out west at least twice a year, usually total of about 10 days (out of maybe 35 per season). Out west I spend as much time as possible in the powder (conditions permitting) and trees.

I am looking for 1 ski that can do it all. While I've been looking for my new skiis, I have been drawn to the wider waist band of the Z9s and Top Fuels. Skiis that can still carve, but can float when they need to.

I am 6'2", 200lbs and would consider myself an 8/10 advanced expert who likes to ski very fast and aggressively.

Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
post #2 of 24
Since you are already on Atomics and seem to like them you might want to consider the Metron B5 as well.
post #3 of 24
Thread Starter 
I rented the B5s in Whistler last year and wasn't overly happy with them. I may have gone too short (164s I think), but I found them too chattery and unstable at speed. Maybe I should have rented them at over 170 instead.
post #4 of 24
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Originally Posted by Canuck34
I rented the B5s in Whistler last year and wasn't overly happy with them. I may have gone too short (164s I think), but I found them too chattery and unstable at speed. Maybe I should have rented them at over 170 instead.
I skied the 162 M11 and didn't like them at all. Demo the B5 & M11 in the 172 along with the Z9 and Hot Rod. I would be very interested how all of these 4 skis compare.
post #5 of 24
I tried the Rossi Z9 last year. I found it very soft. It is very turny, but does not like speed. Moguls and softer snow were fun, but longer turns on firm snow was an adventure. It skied very short, a longer length might have been better. I am 5-8 & 175lbs and skied on a 162. My normal skies ar Volkl 6* at 168.
post #6 of 24
Thread Starter 
Thanks sunmtskier, that is the kind of stuff I'm looking for. I'm not a fan of softer skiis, so this will help push me towards the Top Fuels. I won't have a chance to demo, so please keep the input coming!
post #7 of 24
Sounds to me like you're beyond the Z-9 [too soft]. The Hot Rods should be a real contender for you.

P.S. At your size, you should have tried the Metron b5's in a longer size[171?].
post #8 of 24
I've never skied the Rossi Z9, but I love my Top Fuels. Different people look for different things in a ski, but I promise you, you will not find them too soft.
post #9 of 24
Why not try the Volkl Unlimited AC-4. I know that there are tons on this site that will rave about this ski, both west and east coasts. Very similar to the above mentioned skis, but with more snap and pop to it.
post #10 of 24
Thread Starter 
I was thinking of the AC-3s or AC-4s at first, but I have to admit that I am very weary of buying Volkls. I have had 4 friends who have owned Volkls, and all 4 had the EXACT same thing happen to them...all with different models. They ALL (I know it is hard to believe!) bent the skis. I don't know much about ski construction, but it must have something to do with a metal topsheet or something, but it has happened to 4 different pairs of skiis with 4 different skiers that I know.

After doing more research, I am now leaning towards the Top Fuels or the Modifieds (as I do still spend most of my time on hardpack groomers). Also, my current skiis are pretty narrow in the waist, and I never have had a problem getting them to float in up to 2 feet of pow out west.
post #11 of 24

Metal

Don't forget the Top Fuel has 2 layers of metal.
post #12 of 24
Thread Starter 
There have been lots of skis made with metal, but I have never known any of my friends to bend them like I have seen with Volkls. Don't get me wrong, I know that Volkls are great skis, but I can't help but have trepadation because of past experience.
I think it's going to be the Modifieds. Same basic construction, but a bit better suited for the east where I spend 80% of my time.
post #13 of 24
Canuck34,

I bought the z9 last Feb and have skied on it some. It is really fun doing slalom turns and carving. I took it of peiste in some week old powder and it was great. I felt the tip as a little wide in the bumps and tends to catch a little. I also have the B1 Bandit and feel it is more versitle than the z9. I feel I can ski almost anywhere on it. I haven't tried the top fuel.

RW
post #14 of 24
Canuck:

I have done back to back with the two skis you are considering along with many others in the catgory. FWIW: I'm 5'10" 195 former rep, product manager, racer chaser, instructor, coach, ski bum, and now full time retailer. Here is my take.

The Z9 is not softer than the Nordica, it is actually stiffer in beam flex. However, the Z9 has a huge taper and is softer torsionally. This tends to produce less grip and less redirection at the turn finish. Of the new skis in this shape category, the Z9 is more "skiddable" (tecnical term) than say the Nordica or the Atomics and it is very easy. This may not be all bad, depending upon your goals. However, there is no doubt that the Nordicas deliver more long turn stability and edge grip than most others in this category. The Nordicas will also be less prone to deflection in heavier crud or wind crust.

The TF is an awsome tool for a lot of different conditions but it does feel like a "big" ski and takes some commitment from the skier to do it's best work. Here in the West, the TF or the Nitrous should be near the top of the list for any skier. For a mostly eastern guy, the Modified should get a serious look. I skiied some of the models metioned in Colorado in January and all of them later on in the Sierras. Until the snow gets deeper than maybe a foot or so, I see little advantage for the wider ski.

SJ
post #15 of 24
SierraJim, how did the TF compare against the Nitrous in your view? Just curious as I am probably getting the Nitrous but have not demoed the TF.

Also, I demoed the Nitrous in 170 and loved it. I'm 5'11", 12st and would probably describe myself as a 'confident intermediate'. Would you say 170 is around the right length for me, or should I demo it longer or shorter?
post #16 of 24
conor:

12 stone.........for us colonials, does that make you a fat guy or skinny or what??......

Seriously, the difference in Nitrous vs. top fuel is that the top fuel has a piston interface binding and two sheets of metal. Real world difference is that on very hard snow, the TF has more grip and is a little more damp. For a confident intermediate, I'd suggest the Nitrous unless 12 stone is well over 200 lbs. The Nitrous is more forgiving and IMO is equal to the top models from some manufacturers.

oh!!........yes 170 is the "go to" size.

SJ
post #17 of 24
Thanks SierraJim.

FYI, I think 12st is about 170lbs.

And no, I'm not a fat guy but like all fine Englishmen I like a beer!

And yes, I think I will go with the 170 as I just loved it.
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
Okay, I have made the decision to go for the Top Fuel. I had a great conversation with a buddy of mine, and he made a great observation. He said "I know you spend 70% of your time out east, but don't you want a ski that will really maximise your 30% spent on vacation?" I agreed. Also, he has demoed the Top Fuel and said that it will handel east coast snow very well considering how I ski and that I will probably find it to substantially outcarve my old Beta Races.

Only thing he was unsure of was the length. Any one have any advice for a 6'2" 200 lb aggressive skiier on the Top Fuels?
post #19 of 24
The TF is so solid that it would be fully competent as an East Coast ski in a 170cm length. I skiied it in the spring on snow that was reminiscent of Stowe and it held remarkably well for a short ski. Naturally, the 178 would be more versatile in deeper snow and of course better in longer turns.

Ginger vs. Mary Ann, both are good.

SJ
post #20 of 24
I have doubts that it would be a better carver than your Beta Race, even though they are only the 9s, but you won't be disappointed.
post #21 of 24
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Originally Posted by Canuck34
Okay, I have made the decision to go for the Top Fuel. I had a great conversation with a buddy of mine, and he made a great observation. He said "I know you spend 70% of your time out east, but don't you want a ski that will really maximise your 30% spent on vacation?" I agreed. Also, he has demoed the Top Fuel and said that it will handel east coast snow very well considering how I ski and that I will probably find it to substantially outcarve my old Beta Races.

Only thing he was unsure of was the length. Any one have any advice for a 6'2" 200 lb aggressive skiier on the Top Fuels?
I'd go 178
post #22 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by SierraJim
Seriously, the difference in Nitrous vs. top fuel is that the top fuel has a piston interface binding and two sheets of metal. Real world difference is that on very hard snow, the TF has more grip and is a little more damp. For a confident intermediate, I'd suggest the Nitrous unless 12 stone is well over 200 lbs. The Nitrous is more forgiving and IMO is equal to the top models from some manufacturers.
I'm a heavy dude (210 or so) and I would also suggest the Nitrous for a more versatile ride. The Top Fuel is great at destroying icy crud at mach speed, but its not as much fun as the Nitrous pretty much everywhere else.
post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
"The Top Fuel is great at destroying icy crud at mach speed"

That right there describes about 60% of my time on skiis. 20% spent in powder and 20% in the trees and bumps.
post #24 of 24
definitly the TF
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