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How do you tell if something is a true race stock?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Purely curious: how do you tell if something is a race stock ski?

I've seen many shops say they are the *only* ones with race stock skis, but it seems a little unbelievable.

Can someone shed some light on this?

Best,
Chris
post #2 of 17
Race stock skis are usually a laminate ski (Atomic is the only exception I know of) vs. a cap for the "consumer" race skis, and will contain World Cup, GS, or SL in their name. Race Stock can be tough to get in some areas so it can be belived that they are the only ones that have them. They may also be the only store that carries a specific brand. A shop should be able to get ahold of a rep to order you a pair.

A list of them is as follows for this year

Atomic:
GS11
SL11
LT11 - Softer womens GS version
ST11- Softer womens SL version

Dynastar:
World Cup GS
World Cup SL

Elan:
SLX GS Race
SLX SL Race

Fischer:
World Cup Giant Slalom
World Cup Slalom

Head:
World Cup i.GS RD
World Cup i.SL RD

K2:
Moto GS Comp
Moto SL Comp

Nordica:
Dobermann GSR
Dobermann SLR

Rossignol:
9X World Cup
9S World Cup

Salomon:
GS Lab ZZ
SL Lab ZZ

Volkl:
Race Tiger GS Race Stock
Race Tiger SL Race Stock
post #3 of 17
That's a good list, chipmtu.

Bohemian, you will have to do some additional detective work to identify the real race stock skis. Ask the ski shop to show you both the regular race ski and the race stack version. If they don't have both versions, then they probably only have the regular race ski. For example, the race stock version Atomic GS11 might have a plain black plate with brass inserts in the screw holes - while the regular GS11 has pieces of aluminum over the heel and toe area of the plate. Another example, the Head i.SL RD has a flat top surface with a graphic image of the "chip system" (it doesn't actually have the chip), but the regular i.SL has a textured top surface and the chip thing.

And most race stock skis will have vertical side walls from tip to tail (no rounded cap).
post #4 of 17
Thats true- the key is the vertical sidewalls and laminate construction. Also there are many levels of race stock- the "True" race stock is built to the racers specs- production race stock is from the race room but built to a single standard.
post #5 of 17
vail99 makes a very important point. There are many different levels of race stock, and it varies by manufacturer. You can be assured that Bode and Hermann aren't skiing on run of the mill GS:11 WC's. In many cases the skis they ski on have designs that won't make it to the retail or even "race stock" for another year. There are no hard and fast rules and it can vary greatly.
post #6 of 17
What exactly is a laminate design?
post #7 of 17
You can tell a race stock Dynastar by the registration number and turn radius (required by the FIS i.e. for the GS - R>21) stamped in gold right below the back half of the riser plate. They also have staight sidewalls, which tells you they are a laminate ski with a wood core.
post #8 of 17
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Originally Posted by Alpine-Al
That's a good list, chipmtu.

Bohemian, you will have to do some additional detective work to identify the real race stock skis. Ask the ski shop to show you both the regular race ski and the race stack version. If they don't have both versions, then they probably only have the regular race ski. For example, the race stock version Atomic GS11 might have a plain black plate with brass inserts in the screw holes - while the regular GS11 has pieces of aluminum over the heel and toe area of the plate. Another example, the Head i.SL RD has a flat top surface with a graphic image of the "chip system" (it doesn't actually have the chip), but the regular i.SL has a textured top surface and the chip thing.

And most race stock skis will have vertical side walls from tip to tail (no rounded cap).

Just so there's no misinformation here, Atomic race stock skis exist with both the flat black WC plate and the metal-covered "race chassis." You can tell an Atomic race stock by it's sidecut and radius, as well as the construction.
post #9 of 17
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Originally Posted by SkierXMan
What exactly is a laminate design?
Laminate design is the old technology of ski production, where materials are laminated flat. This construction can be recognized by vertical sidewalls that come to a corner at the topsheet. Cap construction is where a rounded cap, which bears structural load, spans from one edge to the other.

Some shelf skis have laminate construction. Usually, race stock skis have a topsheet that is completely flat, with some exceptions, whereas the topsheets on a shelf ski will most likely be home to some gimmicky bs.

As well, race stock skis usually have a flex pattern on them. GS skis will often display that the radius is equal to or greater than 21m. The sidecut is often not displayed.
post #10 of 17
There are also different levels of race stock
-True WC Race stock (The stuff Bode and Herman are on, no way to get this)
-FIS/USSA Race stock (College level racers, and sponsered USSA racers, might be slightly softer and have a small change is construction, i.e. different metal, got to be sponsored or know the race rep)
-Retal Race stock (The stuff you can buy from a store, softer still than the FIS/USSA stuff, but still better than any of us need, any shop can order it from a few ski companies)
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by Alpine-Al
For example, the race stock version Atomic GS11 might have a plain black plate with brass inserts in the screw holes - while the regular GS11 has pieces of aluminum over the heel and toe area of the plate.
Before anyone gets confused, that isn't true for all the "FIS" models from Atomic. Some of the laminate skis DO have the aluminum topped plate.

Also, someone said Atomics are the exception to race stock being laminate. Thats not true. The Atomic skis are laminate skis with a mostly cosmetic top/cap. The Salomon race stock skis are some of the only really true "cap" race skis, with a titanal cap.

Most skis will have vertical sidewalls, but (most) of the Atomics and the Salomons don't.

Note that the Atomics definitely have a laminated core with two layers of titanal, they just have an aesthetic cap to go along with it.

What kossack says is important as well. There may (or in some cases may not) be a difference between the race-stock gear you buy off the shelf in the store, the race stock gear the rep hooked the local star up with in January when they got the first few copies of next year's stuff produced, or the race stock gear that a WC athlete may have had particularly tailored to his/her preference.
post #12 of 17
And then there is racestock which is identical in construction and sidecut but was considered to be not up to worldcup level.
I.E. They produce heaps of race stock, then the athletes handpick the best ones, the rest then goes 1/2 a year later to local ski teams or shops.

Tailormade for an athlete is mostly only that they choose an especially good woodcore for him, and then produce the ski.

It's different with snowboarding where athletes ask for slight variations in sidecut, woodcore or layers - so in snowboarding there is usually custom racestock, but it is available for normal people too. (Kessler, Tomahawk, Virus,....) I haven't heard of skiers demanding for special sidecuts. (not in meters but like more progressive, asymetrical,...]


And well Atomic gives out so many different skis that it is hard to keep track off. Remember last years confusion about flat Atomic skis, it took some month until everyone believed that they truly exist.
post #13 of 17
Race stock doesn't neccessarily mean anything. They simply are the top of the line, usually handmade. World Cup, however means nothing. For instance, I have a set of Fischer world cup rc's (There the gs version). As they are a fine ski and all, they do not even conform to FIS regulations. There is too much sidecut. Most true racestock skis will be sold in 2 lenghths in SL, maybe 3 in GS, 2 in DH, and 2 in SG. This is to accomodate a female or a male skiier. The 3 lenghts of GS, however, provide for a short course for women, usually a an upper 170's length, a low 180's, for men's short course and women's long course, and an upper 180's for men's long course. GS skis will have 21m of turnability, the SG I believe 27 and the DH i think 33 but don't quote me on that. The SL are usually around 14m however there is no "set" nubmer. GS skis are often over 21m, head for instance is around 24.
post #14 of 17
Most current slalom boards are shorter than 14m, SG is >=33m, and DH is >=40m.

Ironically Fischer names the consumer skis WC RC or WC SL and then names the actual race skis simply "Slalom" and "Giant Slalom". Pretty funny stuff happens when you let the marketing bafflespeakers decide things.
post #15 of 17
Thread Starter 
I heard about that.

Best,
Chris
post #16 of 17
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Originally Posted by skiingman
...Ironically Fischer names the consumer skis WC RC or WC SL and then names the actual race skis simply "Slalom" and "Giant Slalom". Pretty funny stuff happens when you let the marketing bafflespeakers decide things.
Fischer's Race room skis are called:
RC4 World Cup GS
RC4 World Cup SL

Fischer's consumer friendlier race models are called:
RC4 World Cup RC
RC4 World Cup SC
RC4 World Cup Race

Fischer's position is that all their race line employs Wold Cup type technology. This statement would also apply to one degree or another to most manufacturer's race skis including those off the shelf and to a number of non-race skis, as well. That is where the marketing aspects appear to come into play.
post #17 of 17
Bohemian, if you are looking for true race stock check out the charity auction in the instruction forum here. http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=31034

You can get authentic Rossi race stock in any size or model (DH, SG, GS, SL). Right now, the price is unbeatable. Besides, I need someone to bail me out cause, I'm not a racer and figured thse would get bid on.
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