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post #61 of 76
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Actually, I think one of the most fun things in the world is to ski really fast on really narrow runs. I know, I'm a criminal. Excuse me for that. Unfortunately, there are fewer and fewer runs that fit the bill as the bulldozers knock down "hazards".
Yes, I remember getting quite a thrill out of that, and barely clearing that last stump/rock/tree or barely making the turn at the bottom. It seemed to put my pulse at about 4Hz.

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Originally Posted by skiingman
I wouldn't ski SG gear on an open, busy mountain...thats insane
Who you call'n crazy?: , It just takes a little skill and a lot of work and attention to detail.

Just a note to those of you who ski the big western mountains. What is called double black at Blue Mountain Ontario, or even the blacks at Tremblant if I recall correctly, seemed more like the blues at Mt. Washington BC, except for the ice. So maybe you're really not disagreeing. IMHO, you really can't go fast on the blues here, even if you try.
post #62 of 76
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Originally Posted by carvemeister

Just curious though, for a young guy who lives in New Mexico, how is it that you can vouch for the frequently groomed conditions on Ovation? Somehow that's rarely the case when I'm there.
Might be related to when I've spent time there in recent years. I'm usually there either early/late season or on weekdays.

I'm from upstate NY, about 1:10 from Killington. I've spent quite a few days there, though I've spent less time there in recent years
post #63 of 76
when i was at le massif 2 years ago "le charelevoix" was open from acces b downwards so it was pretty dam cool but last year when i went fro christmas, it was closed bcus they were fixing it up and after an overnight heavy snowfall the opend the whole thing for the last 2 days of my vacation there so i was one lucky person, the first day the middle was groomed and it was so fun going down the whole thing so fast doing GS ando n the sides ther was deep deep powder then the second day the whole thing including sides were groomed and that day all i skied was charelevoix it is so exilirating going down that run especially the view lol it loks like ur skiing into the st lawrence river. the best part is most people stay away from it because on the signs it's klabeled as a triple black diamond...( the top acces)
post #64 of 76
Physics Question:

Two skiers are going down a slope, same height, weight, skis
one is straight-lining and the other is carving...

Which one gets to the bottom first?

(oh yeah - bob and carve are spot on)
post #65 of 76
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Originally Posted by bklyntrayc
Physics Question:

Two skiers are going down a slope, same height, weight, skis
one is straight-lining and the other is carving...

Which one gets to the bottom first?

(oh yeah - bob and carve are spot on)
That isn't a simple physics question. If energy and momentum were completely conserved, they'd get to the bottom at the same time.

Since that isn't the case, the guy going straight gets to the bottom quite a bit quicker.
post #66 of 76
Narrow Gauge

As for the physics question a lot more information is needed. Coeffiecient of friction and blah blah blah. We're also assuming the guy going straight is gonna make it to the bottom in one piece. Try running a pair of 155 slalom skis flat down an entire trail. Yikes
post #67 of 76
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Originally Posted by Birdman829
Try running a pair of 155 slalom skis flat down an entire trail. Yikes
http://www.bristolmt.com/images/bristolMap.jpg

They were 158cm Rossignol Oversize's, first year they were available. I was just standing up straight, arms out to the side like a parachute...in a GS suit.

The trail was Rocket at Bristol in central/western NY. It was super scary, I almost ate it in the middle of the run. Man those things hated to run flat. Good practice for smooth movements though, harsh movements in big turns were a good way to eat crap on those boards.

(i had just sucked really hard in a SL race, and was in a lousy state of mind. Heh, at least I didn't do what my buddy did...he beat a pair of boards over a log...those poor skis )

In the day of long SL boards, a friend of mine straightlined a run at West Mountain in nothing but his boxer shorts, only to be pelted with snowballs from about 200 kids at the base after some HS ski race. At least he got his picture in the paper.
post #68 of 76
Have any of you speed demons checked out the Western Territory at Snow Shoe Mtn. W. VA.? The stats are very impressive. Check it out at www.snowshoemtn.com. I want to ski it this year and would like to know what to expect.
post #69 of 76
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Originally Posted by IceDaddy
Have any of you speed demons checked out the Western Territory at Snow Shoe Mtn. W. VA.? The stats are very impressive. Check it out at www.snowshoemtn.com. I want to ski it this year and would like to know what to expect.
I skied there a few years ago. The Western Territory is the only place worth skiing there. Other side was mobbed, scraped off, bulletproof. Western Territory is only 2 trails but they were great. Long, wide open, decent, constant pitch and a couple of steeper spots. One of the trails was bumped up at the bottom while the other was groomed top to bottom. The best part? Nobody was skiing over there!
post #70 of 76
From another thread, here's a solid rubuke to the boneheads who claim that the only real speed to be had in the east is by doing 11's on steep double blacks.

Click on the link and note that this entire trail is a combination Blue/Green with speeds in the mid 70's reached. If you need to straightline Organgrinder or Skyward to get up some speed, then you just don't know how to ski fast, or you're simply demented.

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Originally Posted by doublediamond223
...The Ragged Downhill produced faster speeds. I have straightlined the top part of the course used for this race, and it is easy to build up some big speed. The right turn onto the connecting trail was a cranker at what must have been ~45-50.

http://www.ragged-mt.com/ski/downhill.htm
post #71 of 76
Yeah I'll bet the dudes hitting ~70mph were wearing Metrons and puffy jackets too.

Last I checked, we weren't talking about DH gear on closed runs, but I guess we are, and I guess you have "rubuked" me.

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post #72 of 76
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Originally Posted by skiingman
Yeah I'll bet the dudes hitting ~70mph were wearing Metrons and puffy jackets too.

Last I checked, we weren't talking about DH gear on closed runs, but I guess we are, and I guess you have "rubuked" me.

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Its a 75% green trail. Enough said skiingman. You don't necessarily need DH skis to get "real speed." The point is that there is enough pitch on many trails far less steep than a double black where very high speed can at least be built up to and sustained.

Somehow I think you actually know this, but it's just not as impressive to talk about. Otherwise, it might just be that it isn't so much your puffy jacket as it is your puffy chest that keeps you from going fast enough on those "wee little blue trails." :
post #73 of 76
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Originally Posted by carvemeister
From another thread, here's a solid rubuke to the boneheads who claim that the only real speed to be had in the east is by doing 11's on steep double blacks.

Click on the link and note that this entire trail is a combination Blue/Green with speeds in the mid 70's reached. If you need to straightline Organgrinder or Skyward to get up some speed, then you just don't know how to ski fast, or you're simply demented.
My vote is for demented. Clearly, given all the GPS and radar data available as to the high speeds achieved on blue runs, if that's not fast enough for you then Badger needs to have a private conversation with you Mr. Toad!
post #74 of 76
I kind of agree with skiing man. There is no way ( and I mean NO way) that you can hit 70 on an open trail without longer skis. At least not without endangering yourself and everyone around you.
post #75 of 76
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Originally Posted by Birdman829
I kind of agree with skiing man. There is no way ( and I mean NO way) that you can hit 70 on an open trail without longer skis. At least not without endangering yourself and everyone around you.
How long is "longer": .....hmm this short short-radius super-shape ski craze is a conspiracy by the ski patrol to keep speeds down: . They've even hit the free riders with short slalom-shaped Metrons .
post #76 of 76
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Originally Posted by Birdman829
I kind of agree with skiing man. There is no way ( and I mean NO way) that you can hit 70 on an open trail without longer skis. At least not without endangering yourself and everyone around you.
I don't think anybody is saying you can hit 70 without DH skis. I believe this thread started out by asking what trails in the east were good for getting in some good fast skiing - not about where to hold an actual Downhill event.

The only point I was trying to make is that you can go at a speed which most decent skiers would consider pretty darn fast on many trials as long as conditions permit. You don't need a double black diamond, and IMO a wide open Blue or a steeper trail which is not too narrow, are the best places in the east where most skiers can get some pretty high speed going.

This was never about skiing DH. The ragged mtn DH race was just used to show that the if the pitch of a Blue/green trail can provide 75mph with the right gear, then with lesser equipment the average skier should be able to find some pretty good speed as well without resorting to the lunacy of tucking a trail like Organgrinder, where any such speed would have to be very short lived.
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