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Ski Vise Recommendation

post #1 of 33
Thread Starter 
I am getting into tuning / maintaining our own skis this winter and have picked up most of the tools I need. I also have old skis to practice on.

Looking for recommendations on a good quality ski vice. Info on the best place to buy (price) also appreciated.
post #2 of 33
post #3 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski-Dad
I am getting into tuning / maintaining our own skis this winter and have picked up most of the tools I need. I also have old skis to practice on.

Looking for recommendations on a good quality ski vice. Info on the best place to buy (price) also appreciated.
tognar.com
svst.com
arctech.com

all good sites. good vises are pretty expensive, and the cheaper ones just dont do a very good job on wider or cap skis, but I saw a do it yourself one here the other day that looked bomber.
post #4 of 33
IT is bomber, and cap skis are no problem!!

homemade Vice for under $10


PM me if you want specific directions
post #5 of 33
Where do you live?

Are you or your kids involved in ski racing at all?

If you are you can call Holmekol and get the contact info for their race rep in your area.

They can give you discounts on certain tunings equipment including the Holmekol ski vice which is essentially a blue Ski Man vice.
post #6 of 33
mak, that looks like a great vise. am I correct in assuming that you can only use it on one binding space/boot size? you would need additional ones for different sizes, right?
post #7 of 33
I have the same one in John J's link. That price at Artech is good, too.

The same vice is sold under a bunch of different brandnames, including Swix and Toko. I think it's actually made by SkiMan, but maybe that's just another brand name. There are also some other versions, which you can find easily enough at the online retailers mentioned above. One has the same end supports and a bigger center vice. Whether it's worth the extra money, I couldn't say. I haven't had any complaints with the cheaper version.
post #8 of 33
This is by far the best vise I have ever had. http://race-werks.com/product.php?pr...ub_cat_id =42
post #9 of 33
Skiman/Holmenkol Super Pro. No contest (well maybe the double SuperPro monster). Usually around $120, but sometimes you can get it for less.

-T
post #10 of 33
I like the Swix World Cup too - Especially the newer 50mm. It worth the extra bucks for the extra holding power over the older 30mm.

Another favorite is Jaws:
http://www.ski-racing.com/bst_jaws.html
post #11 of 33
N.B.: the vice Norefjell, real9999 and Woodee refer to (50mm) is the one with the "bigger center vice" I mentioned.

Beyond that, I don't know much about it.
post #12 of 33
You may also want to check out http://www.ski-racing.com/about.htm They design the "Beast" line of tuning equipment. I've had their ski vice for three seasons. It is very functional and well constructed.
post #13 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjjohnston
N.B.: the vice Norefjell, real9999 and Woodee refer to (50mm) is the one with the "bigger center vice" I mentioned.

Beyond that, I don't know much about it.
No, the Super Pro is different than the wide swix. It has 90 mm jaws. It also slides on two pins instead of one.

-T
post #14 of 33
Yeah my Holmenkol Super Pro has a large center jaw setup.

http://www.holmenkol.us/cartproducts...sstat=&ref=305
post #15 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidiver
mak, that looks like a great vise. am I correct in assuming that you can only use it on one binding space/boot size? you would need additional ones for different sizes, right?

Correct, it isn't adjustable for different mondo sizes. Although it wouldn't be too hard to make another template for another boot size and cut it out (depending on how good you are at woodworking). Good thing for me that I only have to tune my 2 pairs!
post #16 of 33
I like the Swix Pro 500. It is adjustable for different size boots and you don't need ski brake retainers because it activates the binding. They are some type of plastic, but durable. I have had mine for ten years with no problems. They come with tip and tail supports.

http://www.swixsport.com/ie5D532.htm
post #17 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by makwendo99
....Good thing for me that I only have to tune my 2 pairs!
Yeah, it would be tougher for me. I tune my kids' skis, too. They are 9 and 7 (with a 4 year old likely taking to the slopes this year), so I'd have to make a lot of templates to accommodate their growing feet

Guess I'll have to stick with my makeshift (i.e., no vise) solution until I can spring for a real one. I like the price on the Artech one (and their service and shipping have been great in the past).

What's the advantage of the wider center jaws? Also, would any of these work for snowboards? (My kids are skiers now but I imagine it's possible they'll take up boarding at some point.)
post #18 of 33
Okay, in the SkiMan (aka Swix, Holmenkol, Toko ....), there are versions with:

- the center vice shown in the first link to Artech above
- a "bigger center vice" (Woodee) - add $36
- a still "bigger center vice" (Norefjell and real9999) - add another $24
post #19 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by skidiver
Also, would any of these work for snowboards?
I don't think any of the three Skiman versions do much for snowboards, at least not as is. The center vice doesn't open anywhere even close to wide enough to span a snowboard. The end supports are, I think, too narrow to hold a snowbard in a stable manner when it's lying horizontal, and their slots seem too short to hold a snowbard on its side. But:

- I have seen somewhere (Artech or Tognar) some snowboard platforms that you put on top of the end supports and hold in place with the clamps ordinarily used to hold a ski on its side. They create a wide platform so you can lie the snowboard horizontal on them. Without a center fice, you wouldn't have anything holding the board in place, other than friction with the supports. They have a grippy rubber surface for that purpose.

- Someone (probably SkiMan again) makes a set of two end supports (no center vice) designed for snowboards: they're much wider to start with, and have a deep slot to hold the snowboard on its side. You could synthesize a dual-purpose vice by combining a pair of these with a center vice. I don't know if the snowboard end supports would have any problems holding skis. They'd at least be a little awkward to work around.
post #20 of 33
Quote:
Originally posted by Skidiver
Guess I'll have to stick with my makeshift (i.e., no vise) solution until I can spring for a real one. I like the price on the Artech one (and their service and shipping have been great in the past).
Dont't put it off any longer!. Especially when it is a great deal they are offering
As one who spent 30+ years trying a variety of different homebrewed methods to hold skis while tuning including, almost every type of normal vice and clamp in my workshop, I finally bought a set of artech/swix vises last year.

Geez!, what an idiot I was not doing it before: . Made life a whole lot easier and quicker, especially when you find yourself doing 3 or 4 pairs a week.
post #21 of 33
Thread Starter 

Decsions Decisions

Lots of helpful advice. I am debating between the:

Swix/Ski Man 30 mm vise at Artech - $69 + shipping

The Beast - $99 + shipping

Is the extra $30 worth it? What does the bigger center jaw do for me that the 30 mm will not?:
post #22 of 33
I would guess that a wider center jaw will hold a ski more sollid with minimal diagonal movement while tuning the base.

I have the Holmenkol Super Pro and it is rock solid. I think it is the biggest version at 80mm.
post #23 of 33
What skis are you tuning?
post #24 of 33
Thread Starter 

What Skis?

Quote:
Originally Posted by John J
What skis are you tuning?
Atomic Junior SL:11 144 cm
Atomic Junior GS:11 150 cm
Volkl 724 AX3 170 cm
Atomic 6.20 150 cm
Volkl Presto 120 cm
Tecno Pro 90 cm

And maybe a pair of senior Atomic SL:9s at 160 or Volkl P60 SL at 163 before the season is over

You can see why I want to start tuning our own
post #25 of 33
I'm making the same decision as ski-dad, and I'm tuning my 170cm Head iC160s (with Railflex), and my kids's Dynastar 08s (but their skis will be changing over time).
post #26 of 33
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ski-Dad
And maybe a pair of senior Atomic SL:9s at 160 or Volkl P60 SL at 163 before the season is over
What's a senior pair?

used?
post #27 of 33
Any of these vices are fine. It is probably nice to have more contact
with a longer center vise, but most of the edge filing is going to be
done with the ski on edge held by the tip and tail supports.
About the only time i will have a ski pop out is waxing with the
camber changing. Then you drop the springloaded end supports.
Anyway, depends on what you want to spend.
I made my own snowboard vises.
post #28 of 33
Thread Starter 

Senior v. Junior

Quote:
Originally Posted by Scalce
What's a senior pair?

used?
Adult version of the ski in contrast to Junior atomic sl and gs skis I had included in the the list above reference to senior
post #29 of 33
Thread Starter 

Vise Differences

Quote:
Originally Posted by John J
Any of these vices are fine. It is probably nice to have more contact
with a longer center vise, but most of the edge filing is going to be
done with the ski on edge held by the tip and tail supports.
About the only time i will have a ski pop out is waxing with the
camber changing. Then you drop the springloaded end supports.
Anyway, depends on what you want to spend.
I made my own snowboard vises.
: A light has come on. I wasn't getting the differences in (30mm, 50 mm, 80mm) as I thought they were refrring to how wide the center vise would close when tight. After reading your response, I looked back at the various pictures and note that the mm refers to how much of the ski (length wise) makes contact with the center vice when it is clamped in. Have I got it?:
post #30 of 33
Yep.
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