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Can't decide on what twin-tip I need this season - Help!

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Hey guys, great forums here. Alright, here's my situtation.

I'm an ex-racer turned park skier. (I know, go figure!) I've been skiing since age 3, and raced from 8 to 18. Got tired of gates, and found a love in the park. I've been skiing on 1080's ever since. I had a pair of 2000 1080's, 177s, and I'm on a pair of 2004 1080 181s right now. BTW - I'm 6 FT, 200 LBs - and very agressive - in and out of the park.

Overall I've been satisfied with the ski. Soft tips and tails, stiff enough under the boot. Can handle the crud and slush. But I'm not sure if it's the best choice this season.

I've been looking at something a bit wider, for the occasional pow dump, and something a bit stiffer - that will hold up at higher speeds.

I have my eye on the 1080 Lab CRs. I hear they are a little stiffer than the original 1080, and are meant to be more of a "rip anywhere" type ski.

I hear the Volkl Karmas are sick as well.

I'm also looking at the Line Invaders, as well as the Armada AR5's..


What do you guys/gals think?
post #2 of 20
I think you'd like the Mantras, Karmas, or K2 Seth Vicious'. You can't go wrong.
post #3 of 20
Have you checked out the atomic Metron?...I'm kidding, I skied on the volkl Karma most of last season, it is a fun versatile ski. It is fairly stiff for a twin with excellent grip on firm snow but it feels lighter and quicker than most of volkl's offerings. The K2 PE is another good all around/ park ski. The Head mojo 80 is an often overlooked twin that rips and is indestructable. I'd stick with the major brands as opposed to the newer "made in mom's garage" companies that are popping up.
post #4 of 20
Thread Starter 
How stiff are the karmas compared to the 1080s? Just wondering, because I wouldn't want a drastic change. What about the 1080 foils as well guys? Too soft?
post #5 of 20
Check out the Line Chronics.

They feel pretty damn stiff for a twin but they only have an 80 waist like the older 1080s. I also have the 1080s but from the 03/04 season.

The new PEs and 1080s are slightly wider this year.

The foils really don't feel that much stiffer then older 1080s.

I want to get out on the Volkls to demo this year.
post #6 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks a lot for the advice guys. If you had the choice between the Karmas, or the foils. What would you choose, and why?

I'm liking the foils, based on that I've loved my 1080's and their softer flex, but I might like the added stiffness and durability of the karmas. Just don't want them too stiff, cuz I do spend a lot of time in the park.
post #7 of 20
Personally I'd pick the Karma's over the Foils, but I'm not the biggest fan of Salomon and their flex seems a bit too soft to me, but each their own. I personally ski most of the K2 line, and they are definately heavier and stiffer than a lot of the other twins on the market, but they have consistantly been rated as some of the best all mountain twins.

If you wanted a park specific ski, the Salomon's may not be a bad choice (but like I said, too soft in my opinion). Believe it or not (as someone mentioned might want to avoid newer companies), Armada and 4FRNT make great park skis and have backed up ther warranties very well. Line, the grandaddy of twin tips also tends to back up their products pretty well too (and perform very well in the park).

If you want more all-round twins, I'd check the PE (85 under foot, good float and great all mountain), the Troublemaker, the Mojo, the Scratch BC (personally I didn't like, but they have made changes) or any of the Atomic twins.
post #8 of 20
the karma's are the best performing best skiing all mountain twin out there! go for it!
post #9 of 20
K2 Seth Pistols were the best rippin twinn tips I've been on. You'd have to get the Seth Visious this year. Blows away the Scratch BC. Great in all conditions but not the best in the park.
post #10 of 20
I'm pretty sure you can't go wrong with the Foils in the longest length of 182 for your size.

Check out my review of the ski, since I've tried my new pair this Sunday:
http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=30554


It's a great ripper! A lot of fun and stable too!
I was so impressed I might head to Austria this weekend too!
post #11 of 20
Karmas or the new K2 public enemys. Both are bomber skis, both rip all over the hill, I'm a little bigger than you, but I found the 1080's and the foil's to mushy for my taste, they just seem to get knocked around to easily.

james
post #12 of 20
Thread Starter 
bump
post #13 of 20
K2 PE's or Head Mojo90's both are versatile all mtn skis, whereas many of the other tips are are park biased.
post #14 of 20
The Head Mojos, Volkl Karma and K2 PE are stiffer all mountain twins, you should try those given your size. Armada AR5 might be worth checking out, can't remember if they changed construction this year, cool graphics too. Dynastar Troublemaker and related Pro Models are good but apparently don't hold up well to rails if you are doing that.
post #15 of 20
id like to jump in and say i'm in the same boat.. foil vs karma... Im atracted to the foil because of its 17.6 m radius in the 174 i ski the east so it should be enough in that length. As for the karma im kinda turned away by its 22 m radius at 177? Does the dimension 3 side cut make its turn radius understated?
If volkl makes it anything like its race skis then i kno its capable of tighter turns than that. Ive skied PE's(179) for 2 years, and was lookin for a little more bite on the hardpact.
post #16 of 20
I ski the Karma in 177. Can handle decent sized moguls - if you're concerned about short radius turns - carves weirdly well, handles air nicely, good in the park I'm told, good float in big bowls. Not a high speed crud smasher and supple/smooth rather than quick/lively. The Pocket Rocket, which I've also owned, is quicker, better in moguls, and more forgiving. But a significantly lower speed limit and not a carver.
post #17 of 20
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by rwmaximus1k
id like to jump in and say i'm in the same boat.. foil vs karma... Im atracted to the foil because of its 17.6 m radius in the 174 i ski the east so it should be enough in that length. As for the karma im kinda turned away by its 22 m radius at 177? Does the dimension 3 side cut make its turn radius understated?
If volkl makes it anything like its race skis then i kno its capable of tighter turns than that. Ive skied PE's(179) for 2 years, and was lookin for a little more bite on the hardpact.
I'm not going with the Karmas for a few reasons.

A-They're too stiff for what I need. Sure they're grippy, and probably a better "all mountain" ski, but I spend too much time in the park.

B-Too expensive.

C-Sidecut - Just like you said.

I'm going to go with the foils, or maybe even the Guns.
post #18 of 20
Hey grant... would u be going with the foils in the 182? Cuz their turn radius is 20.4m... the whole reason salomon is using differnt molds for every ski this year i thought was to keep the ski skiing the same in each size ... but the 17m in the 174 is a whole lot differnt than 20m in the 182...
Im about your size but I think i can get away with going a little short cuz i ski about 90% in NY.... , ...
But than again, I do have my PE's in pretty good shape i could make my all park ski so i could go with the karmas ....
I dont know why im so hell bent on getting another twin...
I they just put twin tips on the ALLSTAR :
post #19 of 20
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Originally Posted by grant1080
I'm on a pair of 2004 1080 181s right now. BTW - I'm 6 FT, 200 LBs - and very agressive - in and out of the park.

Overall I've been satisfied with the ski. Soft tips and tails, stiff enough under the boot. Can handle the crud and slush. But I'm not sure if it's the best choice this season.

I've been looking at something a bit wider, for the occasional pow dump, and something a bit stiffer - that will hold up at higher speeds.
First of all (no offense intended to the community), you're asking for advice on twin tips in the "Metron lovers of America" website, so beware.

Second, after skiing a 181 Teneighty for two seasons myself, I think you are going to compromise a bit in what you are after. TE's are toys...great in the park and fun all-mtn, as long as you keep the speed and level of aggressiveness down. Now you want to keep the feeling of the TE, but have it be a better performer all mtn? If so, you have to go stiffer and give up a bit of the rideability in the park.

Despite this being Metron country, folks have provided some valuable insight...Public Emena, Mojo 80, Karma, etc. The reason those will work is simple...wood core. At 2 C-notes, stay away from styro-foam cores. Your bang for the buck will be the PE. I sold my TE's and got a pair and am pretty happy with them. Now that they are a tad wider, I'd imagine they'll be even better.
post #20 of 20
bump.... for a good cause
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