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Jr Ski Quandry

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
I got the kids started skiing last season. Last year I got them rental packages, this year I would like to get them their own boots and skis without spending a fortune. (They are still growing and we are skiing in Ohio of all places.

My youngest is 11 going on 12. She is about 5'1" and weighs about 120. She wears a size 7 womens shoe. My boy is 13, stands about 5'1" also, weaghs just over 100 and wears a size 7.5 mens shoe. Both kids are beginners (~Level 3-4), but I expect them to improve a lot this year. Having their own equipment will help.

The problem I have fitting them is they are both in adult size boots, which, IMHO, are too stiff for them, as are most adult skis also. Also, I expect anything I get for them now will not fit next season, so I don't want to invest a fortune. There are ski swaps coming up, so i know there are possibilities. I'm just wondering what I should look for.

Last year they were on 120cm shaped ski rentals. I think soft, shaped skis in the 120-140cm range would be about right for them. I just don't know what kinds of things to look for.

Also, there are 2 ski shops we have access too. I'm not sure if they have Jr trade-ins or not and if my kids would meet thye criteria since they are basically in adult sizes already.

Thanks, Mike
post #2 of 16
Mike: There are two or three related threads on this. My son was in a mens 8.5 to 9 and was still in a junior boot. I don't see why they should be in an adult boot at this point.

Check out the information on seasonal rental deals. IMHO, it's the best option.
post #3 of 16
149 bucks for skis and bindings, another 100 for the quality (nice and soft) junior boot. You can trade it all back in next year for a guaranteed 50% back. So the per season cost is 125 bucks per setup. The skis have the best shape available in entry-level junior skis.

They are brand new skis, boots, and bindings, and you own them and can do whatever you like with them.

Hows that sound?
post #4 of 16

Juniors in Senior Gear

Get Jr boots for them. My 13 year gal old is wearing an Atomic Jr Race boot in 25.5 (US Mens 7.5) this year. $80 on Ebay. If you can't get the larger Jr boots in your local ski shop, there lots of Jr boots on Ebay (new and used).

With the height and weight of your kids, I think the 120 or 130 would be too small for either. Either of them could take a 140 in a jr ski. Our daughter is 5'1" and 120 lbs. She is on 144 junior slalom ski this year and 150 gs ski. She grew a fair bit this past year, but she skied a 142 gs ski the two prior seasons with no problem. Your local ski swap is your best bet for these, but get there early as my past experince (3 kids on skis) tells me that the Jr stuff is the first thing to get snapped up at a swap.
post #5 of 16

Good Deal

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Originally Posted by skiingman
149 bucks for skis and bindings, another 100 for the quality (nice and soft) junior boot. You can trade it all back in next year for a guaranteed 50% back. So the per season cost is 125 bucks per setup. The skis have the best shape available in entry-level junior skis.

They are brand new skis, boots, and bindings, and you own them and can do whatever you like with them.

Hows that sound?
Having bought alot of Jr gear the past few years, this is a decent deal. Sounds like a big box price with jr trade in deal of a local shop. Sweet. And no he is not my brother. I don't even know him. Shipping??
post #6 of 16
We've never done our "Grow Program" package over the web before but are considering setting it up in the next couple days. Shipping should be fairly reasonable, but obviously depends on location. Should be about 15-20 bucks for the package sent to the Midwest and maybe 25 to the West. The shipping calculation is all done via UPS/Fedex tables.

We sell a ton of them so that helps keep the price down. The shop is a local ski shop with one location and a lot of local business.

I've been wondering if there would be any interest. Its obviously harder for us to provide some service/support over the web...typically those prices include the mount and any relevant bootfitting.

Its not too much work to get it all setup and fleshed out on the web, so I'll give it a go when I launch (finally) the 06' website in a couple days.
post #7 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiingman
149 bucks for skis and bindings, another 100 for the quality (nice and soft) junior boot. You can trade it all back in next year for a guaranteed 50% back. So the per season cost is 125 bucks per setup. The skis have the best shape available in entry-level junior skis.

They are brand new skis, boots, and bindings, and you own them and can do whatever you like with them.

Hows that sound?
That's pretty good. The best I have found here is $189 ski, binding & pole package and $99 for a Jr flex 4 buckle boot, so your prices is a little better. I'm not sure what the Jr trade in is going to be here locally, will have to ask. I'm going to get the kids sized up this week to see what size boots to get.

Last year the kids were on 140s Blizzard shaped ski rentals and Nordica boots. biggest problem I had with the kids was to get them to wear the right sized boot. They wanted to go about 2 sizes to big all the time. i.e. instead of earing a 25.5 or a 26.0, they wanted to wear a 27.5 or 28.0. By comparison, I have 11.5 feet and wear a 29.0 and I should be in a smaller boot than that. I'm thinking, based on what I learned the last day or so, the kids should probably be on a 150-160 in a kid's flex ski.
post #8 of 16
Getting kids in the right sized boot can be quite a task in some cases. Its definitely worth it in the long run.

Best of luck.
post #9 of 16
Skiingman,

What web address will this be showing up under?

Thanks
post #10 of 16
http://www.sportspageski.com in the Kids Packages section, so soon as I get around to doing it. Calc exam and CS class program to write tomorrow, so I'd guess Thursday.
post #11 of 16
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by skiingman
Getting kids in the right sized boot can be quite a task in some cases. Its definitely worth it in the long run.

Best of luck.
I got the kids sized for boots last night. My 13 year old boy needs a 25.0-25.5, while my 11 year old daughter needs a 25.5-26.0. (yes they have big feet.) That puts them both squarely into adult boots, which, due to a binding upgrade, makes the local shop's ski package more expensive. I will check out your site when you get it posted.

They did have a 4 buckle Jr flex boot in a 25.5, but it was too small in the calf for my daughter - might work for my son. Since that boot had a DIN sole, the binding with the ski package has to be upgraded for about $20 more. Locally I was originally looking at $288 + tax. Now it more like $310 + tax. Your package is looking better all the time.
post #12 of 16
The numbers you have for your daughter are interesting. Usually a 25.5 is a 25 shell with a thinner stock footbed. The 26 would usually be the 26 shell with a thicker stock footbed. The question is which shell size fits her foot? How was the boot fitting done?

BTW, my wife wears a size 7.5 or 8 woman's shoe. Currently she skis in a 24 shell and its too big. This year she wants to move down to a 23 shell.
post #13 of 16
Thread Starter 
Max - my 11 year old daughter is 5' 2" 120 lbs and apparently wears a size 8 womens shoe. If she continues to grow like her older sister, she will end up being about 5' 11" and wear a size 11.5 womens shoe. Chances are, judging by her older sister, she will gain most of the rest of her height between now and age 14. We had her in a Jr 4 buckle 25.5 boot and her toes were hitting the end of the liner and we could barely buckle the top of the boot.

OTOH, my boy should hit a growth spurt in the next year or 2 I expect him to eventually end up being over 6' tall and wear a size 12 shoe.

Getting through the next 3 years is going to be a challenge.
post #14 of 16
Wow, that's gonna be alot of boots!
post #15 of 16
My kids hit adult sizes at much younger ages. My daughter was wearing adult boots at 9 years old, and my son at 8. I focused on fit and flex, and was able to find appropriate adult boots by going to lower end models in lasts which worked for them, nordica for my daughter with narrow feet, and dalbello for my son with wider feet. In particular dalbello had some models with lower cuffs and softer flex for the boot size which were just what the doctor ordered for an 8 y.o. wearing 27's. The good news is his feet haven't grown from size 13 since he was 11.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 

The continuing saga

Or, a little update on where we are and a potentual problem.

We've been going to the ski swaps and looking for equipment. I got the kids boots about 2 weeks ago. Both kids are in adult boots. My daughter ended up in a 25.5 and my boy is in a 26.5. (Yeah, they have big feet.) Finding skis has been the problem.

At this weekends ski swap, with the biggest selection of equipment so far, we found a shop selling used Elan Jr skis, 146 cm, with rental bindings. Since they were shaped skis with decent bases and a fresh tune we thought they looked promising. The question I had was whether the bindings would work with adult boots. I was concerned because the DIN scale went from 1 to 5. My kids DIN settings are ~3.5 so this is good, but the real concern is will adult boot soles work in these bindings. The shop techs who were there at the swap said yes, so we got them.

Well, we decided to detour and take the skis and boots to the shop on the way home to get the bindings set. Unfortunately, I got the ski shops confused and we ended up at the wrong shop. Right city, wrong shop. We figured it out in about 10 minutes. So, the shop we ended up at says they don't know if the boots will work with the bindings and they have to check. OK - fine. We left the skis & boots with them. I get the number of the other ski shop and give them a call just to check. I go through the whole scenerio with them and they say they will work.

The bindings in question are Marker M19s and Tyrolia SymRent 4s. I did a little research and found that both bindings are on the indemnity list, meaning shops will work on them. What I couldn't find out was if these are Jr bindings only or if they accept Jr and adult boot soles as some Jr bindings do.

If the shop they are currently at won't work on them, then we plan to take the skis to the shop that sold them. Yeah, we should have gone there in the first place, but I couldn't remember and my wife didn't remember either. It didn't help that the shop name wasn't on the skis.

I am a little concerned because what I could find out last night was the the bindings that work on Jr and Adult ski boot soles was most DIN scales are in the 1-7 range. These are ~1-5. I just want to make sure I put my kids into something that will work and I don't want to find out later the hard way. Anyone replying with specific knowledge would be helpful.

TIA
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