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post #31 of 45
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Originally Posted by gretch6364
I am about to buy a patagonia jacket and some gloves...I wish i would have waited on the pants...but I bought Spyder Tarantula pants..I got a great deal and I think spyder makes good stuff...I was planning on getting the Primo Jacket...and some Primo gloves...is there any reason not to go this route? I want a tough jacket that is going to last me several years and I am not sure that I want a soft shell...thanks....anyone interested in some spyder pants? Never used size large 140 shipped...
Have you ever had a jacket with a velcro closure for the front zipper flap? If not, please review my previous warning.
post #32 of 45
Thread Starter 
Well, the Stretch Element jacket and pants, R1 Granular jacket, and a few other base layer things are on order and should show up this week before I head up for the first time. I am psyched to get my first new ski clothing in well over a decade (could be 15 years). I figure that the between-the-legs strap and hem cinch will suffice for a powder skirt on the Stretch Element. I just didn't like any of the EDGE series as much for what I want to do (part of it was the colors available, too!).

Anyway, thanks for your help. I'm psyched!
post #33 of 45
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Noodler
Have you ever had a jacket with a velcro closure for the front zipper flap? If not, please review my previous warning.
FWIW, I have and have not had the issues with it that you have. My new jacket won't have this, but that didn't even enter the equation for me.
post #34 of 45

Friends don't let friends buy Patagonia. Goochie,goochie as charo would say

Quote:
Originally Posted by gretch6364
I am about to buy a patagonia jacket and some gloves...I wish i would have waited on the pants...but I bought Spyder Tarantula pants..I got a great deal and I think spyder makes good stuff...I was planning on getting the Primo Jacket...and some Primo gloves...is there any reason not to go this route? I want a tough jacket that is going to last me several years and I am not sure that I want a soft shell...thanks....anyone interested in some spyder pants? Never used size large 140 shipped...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- NO Thanks, Just being a smart ass. Can I say ass? sensors? Hello? I'm ready to ditch the Bogner and hit hard on the duct tape and burlap. Roots baby! roots.
post #35 of 45
Sorry, but Patagonia is the only company I am really considering right now becuase they are the ones that are offering good deals for patrollers....I don't really want a coat with a ton of insulation in it and I like hard shells....any other suggetions? Thanks
post #36 of 45
Thread Starter 
Patagonia makes great gear, Gretch, so ignore the duct tape set...

The Primo is great, and you might also check out the White Smoke. It has CSS technology and is part of EDGE (ski-specific). I liked the Stretch Element better, but the Primo is bomb-proof.
post #37 of 45
Thanks..I don't think the Stretch Element has a powder skirt...I am a big fan of wearing Underarmor (not like padding...like long underwear)...a fleece and a shell...when it gets colder or warmer I just skip the fleece or wear a heavier one...alot of the other soft/hard shell mixes have alot of insulation...I am just going to go with the Primo...thanks alot
post #38 of 45
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gretch6364
Thanks..I don't think the Stretch Element has a powder skirt...I am a big fan of wearing Underarmor (not like padding...like long underwear)...a fleece and a shell...when it gets colder or warmer I just skip the fleece or wear a heavier one...alot of the other soft/hard shell mixes have alot of insulation...I am just going to go with the Primo...thanks alot
That's exactly what I do, but I've never missed a powder skirt (I don't think I've ever had one!). I just cinch up the draw cord along the waist and I'm good. You're right that the Stretch Element doesn't have a powder skirt. It has a between the legs strap to keep the jacket down when reaching overhead, and it has an elastic cinch around the hem.
post #39 of 45
I have always had a powder skirt so I think I will stay with it....thanks for the help
post #40 of 45
SSH, how'd you like that R1 Granular jacket? I'm thinking about picking one up myself.

Also considering the R1 pants (not granular), to go with the White Smoke I just bought (I have an Arcteryx Sidewinder hardshell).
post #41 of 45
Thread Starter 
Reisen, they had production issues with the blue Granular, so I ended up with the Flash Pullover. However, I'm thinking of moving to the R2 jacket instead. The Pullover is more of a base layer fit, and I'd really like a mid-layer. The Granular is quite a bit heavier fabric, even than the R2.
post #42 of 45
I picked up last season's R2 "body rug" pullover on eBay (these come up all the time). It's incredibly warm and doesn't fit like a base layer.

I was in an absolute blizzard today at Copper. I found that my top was warm enough with the R2 and a base layer (and I was wearing my soft shell jacket - what was I thinking ?!!!), but my Primo pants have a problem - snow sticks to them like crazy. The material they're made out of doesn't shed snow worth a damn and that leads to cold legs with all of the snow caked onto my legs. The pants never leak, but they turn into a mobile ice-box. I'm considering bringing them back to Patagonia to discuss my "options". My cheap Columbia Titanium pants never had this issue.
post #43 of 45
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Originally Posted by Noodler
... but my Primo pants have a problem - snow sticks to them like crazy. The material they're made out of doesn't shed snow worth a damn and that leads to cold legs with all of the snow caked onto my legs. The pants never leak, but they turn into a mobile ice-box. I'm considering bringing them back to Patagonia to discuss my "options". My cheap Columbia Titanium pants never had this issue.
That sounds like the DWR treatment isn't working, or isn't even present. You could do a simple test and spray some scotch guard on a small section and see if the snow adhers. In any case the patty folks surely will make good on their ironclad guarantee.
post #44 of 45
If you want something a little more modern than the capilene stuff, the R 0.5 top is a great choice. Warmer without much bulk. On cold days, I like an R1 top, Marmot synthetic down vest, and a waterproof shell. I just bought a Primo jacket and it is very nice. For pants, I can get away with a light or silk-weight capilene layer and pants (currently the Powderkeg pant) but I am on the warm side. Typically, only my face and toes get cold-I need to get my boots stretched ASAP!
post #45 of 45
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Originally Posted by ElkMountainSkier
That sounds like the DWR treatment isn't working, or isn't even present. You could do a simple test and spray some scotch guard on a small section and see if the snow adhers. In any case the patty folks surely will make good on their ironclad guarantee.
Sorry to sidetrack the original discussion on layering, but I don't think my Primo pants have a DWR issue. The pants are basically brand new. I think that the problem is inherent to the type of material used for the exterior. They are not a smooth shiny nylon like my old pants - they are a coarse dull "textured" nylon that seems to grab onto the snowflakes.
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