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post #61 of 89
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Originally Posted by Shen
Just wait 'til Manny is a MET...then you will have Ortiz..and a bloody sock!

I am not a huge fan of Damon...but it does put Jeter and Arod back in their natural hitting positons...the Yankees may average 8 Runs a game.

@ this point.....Sawx will be lucky to get 3rd in the East....still early though....a lot of Stove left.
For sure sawx are behind yanks and jays now......WEEI is buzzing deal Jays/ d backs deal for glaus might be done, widening the gap further.....

Lucchino gotta show me something......

With Jeter on the cutoff Damon will be fine......unfortunately........

Millwood is the sawx hot stove buzz today.......

Gotta admit, entertainment wise this is good stuff...almost as much fun as my new ski's!!!
post #62 of 89
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Originally Posted by ryan
tori hunter, ichiro, glaus, millwood...all names i'd be happy to see on the backs of sox jerseys. for the money they gave him, they can have damon. knew it'd be LA or NY; like i said, dude's lookin' ahead to the next career. can't blame him. he'll make that offense something, to be sure. he'll chase down balls. his throwing has been discussed.

is hunter healthy? man, i'd swap damon for him straight-up. same with ichiro. we'll see where the chips fall but sox seem to have caught on: PITCHING!!!

back to this dismantling...

accurate term, i guess, but revamping seems more to the point. ya gotta keep up, and the sox seem committed to doing it. with today's money/salary structures, this is just how it goes down.
Damon's term not mine, I agree with you Ryan....but the idiots....

over

How you like your Red Sox west? Dodgertown is interesting again at least....

Gonna be a wild ride till April.....

Merry Christmas to all the epic baseball fans!!
post #63 of 89
Sox are putting together a very good rotation and bullpen. Great pitching beats great hitting usually. Sox may lose the season series to the Yankees, but could put together a team that dominates everyone else. Only time will tell.

The days of a "TEAM" are over for now, but it still may be a group of great players, and that can often work well too.
post #64 of 89
STRATosphere,

dodgers are looking better. i like bill mueller; plays the game the right way. he's gonna ride off into the malibu sunset in style. no idea what really went down w/nomar and the sox. if he was a pouter, i hope he's past that. have always liked his game; thought he'd be in boston forever. silly me. then i was wondering why they thought renteria'd be a better fit than cabrera, who's just starting to get aggressive offensively. my druthers have the sox pitching-strong; it was frustrating and kinda painful to watch last year, knowing early on (but hoping, anyway) that the arms just were not gonna be able to help the offense.

would love to be able to talk to some of these ex-sox mid-summer, just to hear them talk about how vastly dissimilar baseball fandom is, boston compared to l.a. - - for some, it's probably a relief; lower pressure and all. but i wonder sometimes if they ever miss playing for more engaged and knowledgeable fans. (if they do, they get their checks and are quickly over it.)

hey, i like when the dodgers are playing well. i see games pretty often.

and it's great when, during close games down the pennant stretch, dodger fans leave in the sixth to beat traffic, allowing me to go down to seats behind home plate.

kirk gibson shoulda been a red sox.

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox.bg
post #65 of 89
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Glaus

www.theglobeandmail.com

Click on "sports" today 12/24

Glause to Jays for Batista and Hudson.....done.

Sawx fall further behind....

The nation remains in deep despair.

Need Tori Hunter for christmas....
post #66 of 89
I'd still put the Jays in 3rd - Glaus is a 145 strikeout a year guy who hits .250 - he might put up 35-40 hrs - reminds me of Brian Daubach. The rest of their lineup is .270 BA / .315 OBP guys. Not exactly a run producing machine.

AJ Burnett is a wash with Beckett in my mind - two guys who put up similiar numbers. The "Burnett doesn't have a winning record thing is bogus" - wins are the absolute worst indicator of a pitchers performance.

BJ Ryan - eh... closer is overated. He is good no doubt, but he isnt Gagne.

Their starting pitching has a chance to be very good if healthy (Roy Halladay I'm looking in your direction).

They actually remind me of the Red Sox a little, with less offense.
post #67 of 89
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Manny being Manny.....

.....never mind, I'll stay.

www.redsox.com 1/6/6

post #68 of 89

Breaking News....

Sox trade manny to Indiana for Ron Artest
post #69 of 89
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real breaking news

boy wonder is back....:

www.boston.com

rumor mill,

Ken Griffey JR to sawx?
post #70 of 89
Still hoping for Jay Payton to return!
post #71 of 89
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Originally Posted by hrstrat57
boy wonder is back....:
Theo in Center?
post #72 of 89
YUMMY...Breakfast in Boston:
post #73 of 89
Thread Starter 
Cmon now Shen.....

That's just mean!



EDIT:
Shen misunderstood your post, thought you were refrg to return of the gorilla suit....

why, cause you scooped me (enjoy it doesn't happen often!!!)

Just heard the deal on Weei, and the box of cereal clicks

____________________________________

So basically sawx got Coco Crisp for

Edgar Rentaria, Andy Marte and Mota....right?

Coco Crisp better be good.....

cause Marte(we never knew ye) will be.....

Theo's official first move a gutsy one.....

The hot stove continues to sizzle....:

Nice play Shen,

Very nice
post #74 of 89
i thought mota might have some potential. (then again, when piazza went after him in spring training a couple years ago, after being plunked, mota literally ran and hid, piazza searching the clubhouse for him. NOT the makeup you want to see in a ncloser) but you gotta give to get, and the sox need some wheels on the bases and in the outfield.

i like it. but he's gonna have to learn some patience at the plate.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/player...e?statsId=6983
post #75 of 89
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Hot stove

Ryan,

Don't forget....sawx saving huge money here...not resigning Damon and trading Rentawreck....

Replacing with Crisp and (likely ) Gonzalez.....

There will be money to take a run at?????

Clemens?

or???:

The hot stove ain't over till it's over....still waiting for Mota to clear the doctors....hopefully won't have to substitute Delcarmen...

This is good stuff.
post #76 of 89
Mota failed his physical according to the buzz site http://www.boston.com/sports/basebal...xtras/thebuzz/ Phillie is concerned. Why Phillie? They are trading an outfielder to Cleveland for another reliever that Cleveland is replacing with Mota.

My head is spinning.
post #77 of 89

back in through the out-door

Nyawk Times

January 25, 2006

Red Sox Return Epstein to Office He Never Left

By JACK CURRY

Theo Epstein left the Boston Red Sox almost three months ago and said he no longer wanted to be their general manager. Epstein insisted that he was not "all in" regarding the organization he always dreamed of running and would not discuss the rift that had developed with Larry Lucchino, his mentor.

But, really, Epstein never left the Red Sox. He continued speaking with John Henry, the team's principal owner, and other former colleagues. He kept himself involved with the Red Sox. He kept discussing a possible return until they made his new role a familiar one yesterday by saying he was back as general manager.

In a news release that included comments from six Red Sox officials and mentioned more than 20 team employees, Henry said the Red Sox were "exceedingly happy" to have Epstein return. Henry added that Lucchino's role as president of the team had not changed and that "there was never a power struggle between Larry and Theo."

Still, even as the Red Sox tried to portray Epstein's return to his old job as a common development in a corporation, there were baseball executives wondering how it would affect the organization, and especially Lucchino. Epstein worked under Lucchino for 14 years on three teams, then evolved into an even more revered figure in baseball-crazy Boston after leaving.
Even though the Red Sox ended an 86-year drought by winning the 2004 World Series, the despair about Epstein's messy departure made it seem as if those joyful memories happened a lot longer than only 15 months ago.

Lucchino and Epstein referred to the testiness in their relationship, which surfaced when Epstein declined to accept a three-year, $4.5 million contract last October. Lucchino said "the passage of time" helped "put behind us the friction" that cropped up during the negotiations, friction that had to with issues of trust and power.

Epstein acknowledged that there was a difference in philosophies between upper management and the baseball operations department while he was trying to work out a new contract. Because of what Epstein called "this lack of a shared vision" and "a far-too public negotiation," he and Lucchino sparred.

"Gradually, with the benefit of time and greater perspective, we tackled not only our personal conflicts but also the differences regarding our thoughts for the organization," Epstein said. "We emerged, ten weeks and many spirited conversations later, with the comfort of a shared vision for the future of the organization, including the role of the baseball operations department."

Lucchino said the Red Sox would be "stronger, deeper and bolder and more effective" with Epstein as the general manager. As Epstein had conversations with Henry; Tom Werner, the Red Sox' chairman; and Lucchino, Lucchino said "an enhanced sense of team" emerged. The executives, including Epstein, realized they were all committed to working toward continued success for the Red Sox, he said.

Epstein replaced the co-general managers Jed Hoyer and Ben Cherington, who had five-week tenures in their not-so-dream jobs. Hoyer, an assistant general manager, and Cherington, the vice president for player personnel, said they were aware that Epstein could return when they agreed to succeed him.

While Epstein was gone, the Red Sox failed to re-sign center fielder Johnny Damon, who is now a Yankee; traded shortstop Edgar Renteria; and acquired starting pitcher Josh Beckett and third baseman Mike Lowell from the Florida Marlins.

The Red Sox are still trying to fill holes in center field, where they could soon obtain Coco Crisp from Cleveland, and at shortstop, where they may sign the free agent Alex Gonzalez. Now that the Red Sox have what Epstein called "a new vision in place" and "a real sense of unity," he said they could be an even "greater organization." Lucchino said the principals in this soap opera would be available for questions today about Epstein's comeback, but after that, the team would not discuss it.
post #78 of 89
Didn't he have something to do with the breakup of The Beatles?
post #79 of 89
post #80 of 89
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Originally Posted by ryan
Nyawk Times

January 25, 2006

Red Sox Return Epstein to Office He Never Left

By JACK CURRY

...Now that the Red Sox have what Epstein called "a new vision in place" ....

Yeah, its called second place.
post #81 of 89
Rul's underwhelming again 'cause Ron Arrest, er, Artest, doesn't want a thing to do with Sactown. Which proves he's not ALL crazy.
post #82 of 89
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Originally Posted by ryan
Rul's underwhelming again 'cause Ron Arrest, er, Artest, doesn't want a thing to do with Sactown. Which proves he's not ALL crazy.
Too bad too. We need to dump Paidto Standroundandwatch
post #83 of 89
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Originally Posted by irul&ublo
Too bad too. We need to dump Paidto Standroundandwatch
haven't seen the Queenies at all since they began to blow hard. Last I recall, though, the guy was a deadly shooter.
post #84 of 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
haven't seen the Queenies at all since they began to blow hard. Last I recall, though, the guy was a deadly shooter.
Thats all he does now...no D and he never makes his own shot. W/O Vlade and CWebb passing to him, he's hopeless.
post #85 of 89
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roger

Roger...............Roger.......

could it be...Lucchino says......maybe!

BC hockey eagles to skate at Fenway...:

we need some grapefruit league action bad...

hotstove
post #86 of 89
Pitchers and Catchers next week!

Meanwhile, back in Gotham City...





Damon thanks Boston with newspaper ad after heading to Yankees
February 8, 2006

(AP) -- Johnny Damon, the former Boston Red Sox center fielder beloved by fans until he defected to the rival New York Yankees in December, is trying to mend fences with a full-page newspaper advertisement thanking Red Sox nation.

The ad, which ran inside the sports section of The Boston Globe on Wednesday, reads, "Many thanks to the great fans of New England and the city of Boston. It was a privilege and an honor."


The message, displayed in the form of a letter with Damon's signature, is superimposed over a photo of the Red Sox' former leadoff hitter in action.

Damon incurred the wrath of legions of Red Sox loyalists in December when the former free agent agreed to a $52 million, four-year contract with the Yankees, a team with a long history of enmity with the Red Sox.

A two-time All-Star, Damon in 2004 helped the Red Sox win their first World Series title since 1918.

His appeal in Boston extended beyond his hitting and fielding abilities. Damon's long locks and facial hair earned him a cult-like following in Boston, where he helped symbolize the free-spirited team that dubbed itself the "Idiots" and won it all in 2004.

After Damon's move to the Yankees was announced, Damon sounded sad to leave the Fenway Park faithful.

"Those fans were very loyal to me," he told reporters in December. "It took some thinking, but I realized that the organization did not hold me at that level. I understood that I needed to go elsewhere."
post #87 of 89
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Originally Posted by Shen
Pitchers and Catchers next week!

Meanwhile, back in Gotham City...





Damon thanks Boston with newspaper ad after heading to Yankees
February 8, 2006

(AP) -- Johnny Damon, the former Boston Red Sox center fielder beloved by fans until he defected to the rival New York Yankees in December, is trying to mend fences with a full-page newspaper advertisement thanking Red Sox nation.

The ad, which ran inside the sports section of The Boston Globe on Wednesday, reads, "Many thanks to the great fans of New England and the city of Boston. It was a privilege and an honor."


The message, displayed in the form of a letter with Damon's signature, is superimposed over a photo of the Red Sox' former leadoff hitter in action.

Damon incurred the wrath of legions of Red Sox loyalists in December when the former free agent agreed to a $52 million, four-year contract with the Yankees, a team with a long history of enmity with the Red Sox.

A two-time All-Star, Damon in 2004 helped the Red Sox win their first World Series title since 1918.

His appeal in Boston extended beyond his hitting and fielding abilities. Damon's long locks and facial hair earned him a cult-like following in Boston, where he helped symbolize the free-spirited team that dubbed itself the "Idiots" and won it all in 2004.

After Damon's move to the Yankees was announced, Damon sounded sad to leave the Fenway Park faithful.

"Those fans were very loyal to me," he told reporters in December. "It took some thinking, but I realized that the organization did not hold me at that level. I understood that I needed to go elsewhere."

"the babe II, return of the curse"
each morning i wake up and i thank all the gods that i'm a mets fan

post #88 of 89
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Originally Posted by vlad
"the babe II, return of the curse"
each morning i wake up and i thank all the gods that i'm a mets fan

Those are some cruel gods.
post #89 of 89
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
Those are some cruel gods.
we barbarians take whatever gods we can get, and we take whatever they'll give us....
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