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Volkl Allstar vs 6*

post #1 of 15
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I am hoping to get a fairly subtle comparison of the new Allstar and last year's 6*, which I have used enough to know and love. I know the new allstar is slightly wider but that is all I know. Is the construction different in any significant way? Does it ski differently in your experience? I am planning to buy the 6* from last year (a good price)if they are essentially the same ski except for 2mm increase in width. If however, there have been other significant changes then I might have to wait and demo but the 6* will be gone.

Thanks much
post #2 of 15
ff,
I've been on 6* for 2 years and LOVE them. Last spring I was in contact with Mike de Santis (skidoc on the forum) Mike was product mgr and race director for Volkl for some years. This gives me faith that he know's what he's talking about. Mikes input on your question (mine last spring when I learned of the Allstr's) is that "the Allstar's were not as lethargic as the 6's." I never thought my 6's were lethargic so I can only expect Allstar's to be really quick. I do still wonder if the Allstar might want to carve all the time and resist skidding. This to me would make for a less versatile ski. Whichever you buy, look to Mike when you need them tuned.
post #3 of 15
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Originally Posted by KAZOOSKI
Mikes input on your question (mine last spring when I learned of the Allstr's) is that "the Allstar's were not as lethargic as the 6's."
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Wow, what do you normally ski that makes you want to use the word lethargic to describe a 6* ???
post #4 of 15
The main difference in the the construction would be the 2mm added to the tip, waist, and tail of the ski. Also, the binding system on the Allstar if different. The Allstar has the motion IPT with PCOS whereas the 6star has the Motion AT with PCOS
post #5 of 15
Ah, I see, the IPT with PCOS, rather than the AT with PCOS. Check. I would assume that boot technology such as the Asymetrical Power Impulse Flex distributor would work well with this.... (APIFD).

Ah, excuse me, Atown, but seeing as the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? Cause if it leaks to the VC, you could end up an MIA and we could all be put on KP.
post #6 of 15
Funny, when I skied the Allstar last year I liked it, but I don't know how I could go about describing it as "less lethargic" than a six star. Weird way to put it.
post #7 of 15
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer
Ah, excuse me, Atown, but seeing as the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? Cause if it leaks to the VC, you could end up an MIA and we could all be put on KP.
A classic!
post #8 of 15

More alike than different: 6* and All*?

The word I got from someone who skied both the 6 and the Allstar was that there is very little difference in overall feel and performance.

I don't know myself as I had 6*'s for 2 seasons and never tried an Allstar.
post #9 of 15
The allstar is wider 2mm in the tip waist and tail, has a new constructio, and has a new ski binding system. It is easier to turn, more stable and provides a bit better edge grip than the 6*. Other than that, they both rip!
post #10 of 15
"Lethargic" was Skidoc's word not mine. I love the ski and struggle to understand how it could be improved upon. I passed my L III on them, skied bumps, ice, crud, slush, powder in Utah, short turns, long turns. If there is a limitation it's mine, not the ski's.

If I skiied out west all the time, maybe this wouldn't be my choice. But for the midwest, and I'll bet the east, this ski is pretty damn impressive.
I certainly will not part with them before skiing something new for many days to prove new is better.

I must restate though. The tune is critical.
post #11 of 15
Kazooski, that is twice you said the tune is critical. Care to elaborate? Volkl recommends 2 / 1 but I have heard of more acute angles. Also, do you detune at all?
post #12 of 15
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by U.P. Racer
Ah, I see, the IPT with PCOS, rather than the AT with PCOS. Check. I would assume that boot technology such as the Asymetrical Power Impulse Flex distributor would work well with this.... (APIFD).

Ah, excuse me, Atown, but seeing as the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we keep the PC on the QT? Cause if it leaks to the VC, you could end up an MIA and we could all be put on KP.
OK, I know I asked for a subtle comparison...but this is a bit too subtle! IPT?
post #13 of 15

iPT and how it is different...

iPT is a very different binding interface than AT. the allstar is the only ski to have iPT, at this point.

the iPT binding slides into the raised wood "rails" (or double grip construction) of the ski and is then tightened down/locked into place with a significantly improved mechanism over the 6*'s AT system. notice the use of "into" as opposed to "onto" - "onto" is a better word to describe the way the AT binding interfaces. go to your shop and ask them to show you the iPT binding and how it attaches to the ski.

having skied AT and iPT back to back, i can say that iPT is noticeably faster in terms of response to boot input/energy transfer/etc.

the allstar itself is a very different feel from the 6*. it was widened for stability, but also designed to "skid" turns at the end more than the 6* ever allowed. this should theoretically make it a more fun ski to ski all over the place.

the tune should be less important as a result of these performance changes for the allstar than it was for the 6*, which definitely requires a great tune to ski well.
post #14 of 15
Enjoyed your comparison. Just a nit, iPT motion or race is also available on Racetiger GS and SL racing skis.
post #15 of 15
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
Enjoyed your comparison. Just a nit, iPT motion or race is also available on Racetiger GS and SL racing skis.
oh yeah. those skis are weapons.
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