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Atomic T10 boot, Salomon X-Wave 10

post #1 of 16
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Does anyone here ski on the Atomic T10 or the Salomon X-Wave 10? I would appreciate any comments anyone can offer about either boot.
post #2 of 16
I ski the X-Wave 10. I have a narrow ankle, thin calf, and wider forefoot.

The boot fits me very well. I have found it pretty snug in the ankle area and roomy enough up front. The liner is comfortable, but seems likely to pack out quick.

I like the minimal adjustments. I have adjusted the cant, raised the rear spoiler a bit, and just taken out the flex/cuff locking bolts.

The buckles work okay, not as smooth and easy as some others out there.

The liner is fairly warm, but I run Hottronic boot heaters so cold is not a big issue.

The boot is fairly upright, which I like.

Overally, I like it a lot.
post #3 of 16
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Originally Posted by Roadking
The liner is comfortable, but seems likely to pack out quick.
Yep on both counts. And some question about the breakdown of the clear shell material. Fit is as described. Smooth flex. Pretty direct feel. I had problems w/ ankle, but YMMV. I ended up taking the spoiler out altogether to try to get a little more upright. I'm prob. going to switch after a (long) year.
post #4 of 16
I got the X-Wave 10's about four months ago, when I started using indoor slopes for a bit of race training (better than nothing over the summer).

Nowhere near as stiff or close fitting as a pure race boot, but much more comfortable as a result (no need to unfasten the buckles between runs).

Seemed to fit great straight from the box, they do have an innerboot that is heated and then fitted for you in store which probably helps a little with the fit. I've kept the rear spoiler at it's lowest setting and left the canting locks in place. The innerboot does pack down after fitting, so I kept tightening the buckles a little each session to compensate.

I'm more than happy with them, but can't compare them to the Atomic.

BTW, does anyone else think the moveable buckle is a waste of time?
post #5 of 16
I have last years Crossmax 10 boots which are the same I believe. They fit me pretty well. I have a narrow ankle, wider front and wider calves. I'm considering putting footbeds in but haven't made up my mind yet.
post #6 of 16
Did all you guys downsize in your shell because I do not think that the Salamon X-Wave series have a narrow heal pocket at all.

It may feel that way the first year or so but it is all padding that definately packs out.

There are others here on the board that have had issues and the ones who like the boots usually downsize.

I have a pair of Crossmax 10s in a 27.5 with a Booster strap attached from two seasons ago for cheap if anyone wants them.

Also a women's X-Wave 9 in a 26.5 from last season.
post #7 of 16
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Originally Posted by Scalce
Did all you guys downsize in your shell because I do not think that the Salamon X-Wave series have a narrow heal pocket at all.

It may feel that way the first year or so but it is all padding that definately packs out.
Yes, I think that is right. After they began to pack out my heel did feel loose -- not at all like the 'locked-in' feeling I got from my old 10.50s.
post #8 of 16
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Originally Posted by Lodro
Yes, I think that is right. After they began to pack out my heel did feel loose -- not at all like the 'locked-in' feeling I got from my old 10.50s.
My heel beame a bit loose after a little pack out as well. I'll be experimenting with some extra dense heel padding and some heel lifts this year to try to get the "locked in" feeliing back...The boots fit like a dream everywhere else though...
post #9 of 16
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Originally Posted by Roadking
I ski the X-Wave 10. I have a narrow ankle, thin calf, and wider forefoot.

The boot fits me very well. I have found it pretty snug in the ankle area and roomy enough up front. The liner is comfortable, but seems likely to pack out quick.

I like the minimal adjustments. I have adjusted the cant, raised the rear spoiler a bit, and just taken out the flex/cuff locking bolts.

The buckles work okay, not as smooth and easy as some others out there.

The liner is fairly warm, but I run Hottronic boot heaters so cold is not a big issue.

The boot is fairly upright, which I like.

Overally, I like it a lot.
Same here: narrow ankle, calf and wide forefoot. The atomic model was too narrow at the toe, so left it at the shop.
Ski the X-wave model 2006 with the buckle set to the high position. Cant adjusted two notches on the left, three on the right shoe. Spoiler set one position higher. Makes all the difference.
One tip on packing out: try placing a second insole under the liner (filt or equivalent) when you've had it on for say a week. This will make the shoe fit as tight as ever, while still saving the liner 'fit' which has formed from skiing.
post #10 of 16
I've got the x-max 10 (same as x-wave except for colour) in a 27.5 which is about as short as I could get my foot into. I have a very wide ball and very narrow heel, my ankle bone is also lower than most peoples, and I have various pronations, unusual growth and breaks from karate. I had to bring the boot back to get the little toe sides stretched out again and again and again and again. I've got about 20 to 30 days skiing on the boot. The first dozen times I had to ski bare foot. The front now fits with ski socks, even though I noticed my feet falling asleep last time out. I'm just starting to notice a little too much room in the heel. Maybe I should have gotten another custom-foamed boot:.

For comparison, my previous boots were the stiffest boots I could find at the time, Koflach Comp911s with custom foamed liners and a couple of extra cartridges of foam stuffed into the liners (which made the liners essentially freeze all the bells-and-whistles adjustments into one position). They were rock hard, and supper tight, and super responsive. I loved them, and truly believe that their split second response saved my butt on more than one occasion. Yes, I was a reckless young hooligan, and didn't deserve to live, but thank God for mercy. I got tired of the pain and having to stop skiing after only a few hours for fear of frostbite, and tried to get them enlarged, only to ruin their responsive utterly-controlled feel, without providing much relief. It was so bad that I used sloppy rentals for a couple of years. Skiing with the rentals was more like surfing. Finally I broke down and got new boots.

Performance-wise, I am happy with the softer crossmax 10. It is not as satisfying as a race boot, but is still stiff and satisfying enough for the control freak in me (165lbs), and I don't need to make adjustments to compensate for too-stiff boots when not skiing at warp speeds. I also don't risk having a hernia or breaking my foot struggling to get them off at the end of a cold day. If I were skiing like I used to (max speed all the time) or racing, I might want a stiffer boot and would likely buy a plug, but for all-day freeskiing, the crossmax 10 is perfect for me.
post #11 of 16
I also have the X Wave 10`s.Foot size is 11 wide ,small calf and heel,wide forefoot.I ended up in a 27.5 with only minimal shell grinding at the ankle bone . The fitter must have known about the packing issues beforehand.He was, is, very reluctant to do any liner mods until I have spent some time in them. What does the cuff lock do as far as flex is concerned?
post #12 of 16
I ski the X-Wave 10's. Wonderful boot; great lateral control, enough forward flex to bend it at speeds below a race course, fits any foot with a narrow heel and wide forefoot or long toes. Fit: Don't get them too big, however they feel in the store. I get boots that are one size to one and a half sizes below my street shoes, assume some work to dial things in. It's easy to grind or blow up a toe box a little, doesn't compromise the integrity of the boot. Rule I use is that boot end should just touch my toes when I'm standing in it loosely buckled. When you're skiing, the heel settles into the cup, pulls the foot back enough that your toes have some room. Payoff is much better quickness, longer life when the boot begins to pack out.
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by beyond
It's easy to grind or blow up a toe box a little, doesn't compromise the integrity of the boot. Rule I use is that boot end should just touch my toes when I'm standing in it loosely buckled. When you're skiing, the heel settles into the cup, pulls the foot back enough that your toes have some room. Payoff is much better quickness, longer life when the boot begins to pack out.
I got a good tight shell fit, I just think the heel pocket is too big or oddly shaped (for my feet anyway).
post #14 of 16
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the comments, folks.

I've narrowed the field to the X-Wave 10, the Head S12, and the Technica Fire. These are the boots I've tried at the local ski shops that feel the best.

It's interesting to note that the Salomon is by far the stiffest feeling boot, even though all three of these boots are supposed to be comparable in performance. Both the Head and the Technica are much softer in forward stiffness, while the Salomon feels very stiff.
post #15 of 16
Hi there, just thought I'd pitch in with a comment. Yesterday I bought the Atomic T11 in lime green (2005 model). I tried on the Crossmax 10, which is essentially the same boot as the X wave 10. The Salomon feels slightly stiffer than the T11, however that could be due to the fact that it's taller.

I plumped for the Atomic because it was a better fit. Especially in the heel department. I would recommend you try the Atomics as well in your selection. The Tecnica boot you mention is softer than either the Salomon x wave 10 or Atomic T 11. Still a great boot though.

One bit of advice (probably preaching to the converted here) don't buy boots online, go to a shop.

Good luck and happy hunting...
post #16 of 16
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Originally Posted by marc gledhill
BTW, does anyone else think the moveable buckle is a waste of time?
Yes, the moveable buckle seems fairly useless.

As for the boot, my foot is somewhat narrow and the fit is solid. I have noticed some packout which has been solved (so far) by tighter buckling. As others have stated, buy these at least slightly tight.
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