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Mid-Fat Help

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As a new poster, I have reviewed all the prior threads detailing Volkl’s Unlimited AC4 and Mantra skis. I am looking to add a mid-fat to my quiver to replace my ancient 190cm Snow Rangers and these seem to be the best fit. I am a level 8-9, type III skier, 6’, 215 lbs and ski primarily at Killington, Vt. on/off piste including trees, bumps and groomers. I spend a week in the West or Europe each year, primarily in the West. My current quiver includes 182cm Volkl 5 Star’s, 188cm G30’s and still in the attic, pairs of Salomon 212cm 1S / 205cm 2S skis. My target conditions are 6-36” Eastern dumps = NOT Utah fluff, trees, crud and spring snow. I would describe my style as aggressive, mixing short with long turns depending upon the need for speed and the desire not to cause ecological damage and/or leave DNA samples when venturing off piste.

From prior postings, the AC4’s seem to be more versatile given most of my skiing is in the East. Also 184cm vs 177cm a better length considering the heavy/crud conditions I am targeting and that I am NOT a lightweight => 215 lbs conditioned vs. fat.

For the conditions / terrain targeted, I am looking for some additional insight from those who have tried both as to:

  • AC4 vs. Mantra - performance tradeoffs
  • 184cm vs 177cm given that on days that I ski them 50% of my time will be in Vermont woods = tight trees but the other 50% b-t-t-w powder/crud/corn.

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Welcome. I also have some of the Gen 1 Salomon 1S's in a PR8 (212). The Ac4, From what I read is an awesome ski for the East Coast off piste conditions. There are also some here that will sing the praises of the Atomic Metron series. As far as the length, I suggest demoing both then decide whats best for you, but I would err to the 177's. The 184's might be a tad long inthe tight Vermont woods. If you were out west I would probably go the other way.
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Mid-Fat Help

Thanks for your feedback. I found an AC4 thread on the Consumer Gear Review Forum which had excellent discussions addressing my questions. Due to Pro-night now and snow later, I do not have the opportunity to demo. Thus, with the help of many responding to related threads, I now have a pair of 177cm AC4's AND 177cm Allstars !!!! As a reference for those follwing this post, from the CGR forum:

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Originally Posted by blitz
Guys--am I missing something--I know the AC4 will likely be one of the hottest skis of the year or next 3 years and guys like Harkinbanks will rip it up in that amazing Targhee pow--but an eastern ski??? I don't see it---The new 70mm 6 Star--would be a better bet I think.

blitz, what you are missing is Spinx15 has said he skis both East and West and has a need for a ski that can do it all. Both Allstars and the AC4 can do it all from ice to powder. The smile factor is just maximized at a different point on the conditions scale.

The Allstar is going to be awesome on groomed and hardpack conditions, and should offer more forgiving flex and more versatility due to increased width as compared to last year's 6-Star. I found the 6-star could be fun in deep powder, but a wider ski is better. The AC4 is going to offer a different ride with moderate limitations on extremely firm conditions, and advantages in extremely soft conditions. I found I could ski a 94 mm waisted Mantra on ice, but a narrow ski is better. The Allstar is intended for high performance carving with versatility to go all mountain, while the AC4 is probably going to be more of an all mountain cruiser with a capability for high speed carving.

If you must pick only one ski, it is truely a matter of individual preference and consideration of how and where you ski. Its not the end of the world to make a choice here, because you CAN add a complementary ski to excel in the conditions outside the optimum range of the first ski. I picked up the V 6-Stars at the beginning of last season, then added the V Mantra at the end of February. Each has its place and use, although there is considerable overlap. Both skis are capable of stability at high speed on good quality groomed. Only Mantra arcs high speed powder, only 6 star feels secure on high speed ice. Both skis do bumps, but the Mantra is easier to ski in soft conditions as it has better tail release and less tip deflection.

Now this is true EpicSki...getting someone to think about multiple skis. Budget? We dont need no stinking budget!

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Originally Posted by falcon_o

Now this is true EpicSki...getting someone to think about multiple skis. Budget? We dont need no stinking budget!

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