Originally Posted by ssh
...and this is the thing that I don't understand. I ski exclusively out west. I am not the best skier on the mountain by any stretch, but, I definitely ski at the high end of the speeds of all skiers on the mountain any given day. And I skied my Metrons everywhere last winter. Yes, at speed.
I don't doubt that you ski faster than me. I don't doubt that GS skis would ski faster than the Metrons. But, for my typical skiing, the Metrons allow me to "go everywhere, do everything" all day long. And I like that. It feels to me like a "no compromise ski", and I'm not alone in that opinion.
Even though there are others who do not like them (as I know you don't).
Hmmmm, I'm not sure what the difference is. Maybe the average type of terrain you ski, skiing background (ie: where you learned, east/west, hard snow/soft snow, racing, bumps, whatever) I grew up (and live) in the midwest, and ski at least one week per year in the west. Usually Jackson Hole. Last year I spent 2 weeks at Jackson, one day at Snowmass, and one day at Squaw. I come from a racing background on hardpack to ice, largely man made. When I ski in the midwest, on 600 feet of vertical, I want race skis. I would never put on a pair of Metrons at home. At Jackson, I seek out the steepest, most challenging terrain I can find. Often very narrow, often with rocks and/or trees. A deep sidecut ski like the Metron will get very squirrely on extremely steep sections. Especially chalky, windblown "hardpack" which will make the tail "catch". Sometimes you need to be able to "smear" your turns, carving only portions. The Metrons mainly want to carve. The only groomed runs I ski are just the runouts to get back to the lift. Ie: Amphitheater. A couple years ago, I followed Tommy Moe down "Grand", doing big, fast, carved turns. It had been groomed that morning. He was on 193 GS's, I was on G4's. We were going so freakin fast, if I would have had a turnier ski, I would have killed myself! The problem with skis like that at high speeds is the transition. A strong race technique gives you a ton of rebound at the end of the turn.
I rebounded myself right into the air upside down on a pair of 182 6 stars on a fast groomer at Targhee a couple of years ago. That's when I decided that a 6 star was too turny for out west. I couldn't let them run either. For out west, I LOVE my G4's, and I suspect I would love the Mantra's even more (I may soon find out.....) I think it's just all about your skiing style. That probably doesn't answer many questions, but hopefully adds something to the discussion...