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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Has anyone skied the ELAN SLX and GSX world cups?

GSX (182cm 97-63-87 or 188cm 100-64-90)
SLX (155cm 109-63-98 or 160cm 111-63-101)

www.elanskis.com has the retail measurements.

I've heard acclaims towards the store skis, but nothing about these.

The interesting thing is that the slaloms only go up to 160cm. Seems sorta short sighted if the FIS regulation will be 165cm for slalom next year.
post #2 of 21
Those measurements are very close to the retail version. But the retail version shares the same construction as the actual race skis built by Elan. The only difference is in the size of the edges. On the world cup skis it is much smaller of an edge (allowing less tuning). I havent skied the GSX, but i can tell you that the SLX rocks. I have two pairs of race room SLX's this season. One in the 154 and the other in the 162. I have skied the 154, let me tell you its a lot of ski. Why so eager to get on the actual world cup skis? Unless youre actually cometing in FIS events i dont think you will need the world cup skis. The world cup skis are different for every athlete anyways - its hard to pin point one shape because they change them so frequently. The race skis on the web site are actually the real deal. Unlike other companies that sell different race skis as retail skis Elan sells their actual race skis now, much like stockli, and i believe nordica did for the first few years they built skis.
Anyhow, im going to be seeing two Elan reps on monday. I'll ask about the difference between the WC skis and the race room skis im getting. i'll report back.
post #3 of 21
Just curious, where did you see those skis and measurements?

I have 2 pair of SLX and a pair of GSX for this year. I skied a pair of SLX prototypes last January and was blown away after the first couple turns... they are that good. I don't know what more you could want in an sl ski that the retail version doesn't have. It's light, quick, stable, energenic and reasonably easy to ski. If Elan makes a hard-core WC stock ski it would have to noticeably superior for me to want to switch, and I can't see how they could be. It would also be pretty hard to get your hands on them as well.

If you are looking to find a beefier version of the retail GSX...STOP! If the GSX is not enough ski for you I urge you to call the USSA and set up tryout for the national team The GSX is a motherf****r and is more ski than most people would want to deal with. If you can tame the thing, it is so far beyond smoothe that words can't describe it. The GSX and Stockli GS are a couple of steps above all of the other retail models and is more than enough GS ski for all but the top athletes.

I posted reviews of most sl and gs skis last January, so check the "Gear Review" forum. The posts were titled "A bunch of sl skis" and "A bunch of GS skis". I can't figure out how to post a link to them, sorry. Keep in mind that changes have been made to some of the skis since the time of the post.
post #4 of 21
I skied the Elan slx last spring and I swear they made me a 120% better skiier! My friends were all so impressed with my skiing and I just kept saying "it's the skis, man!" They are sooo turny and responsive yet you hardly have to put any effort into them. Elan hasn't gotten alot of respect over the past while.. its kinda been the underdog ski but if you ski these skis you will change your mind.. they are simply amazing. I skied the Salomon Equipe slaloms on the same day and I did not like them nearly as much. Even the Rossi world cup 9s's didn't measure up!!! They are simply AMAZING!
post #5 of 21
Thread Starter 
The measurements of the Elan WC skis are "close" to the retail version but they aren't the same. They probably have similar construction but could be stiffer, or even softer for that matter. That combination could yield skis that behave alot differently than retail.

Why not be eager to try out some world cup skis? They exist. There has to be a reason. I doubt they would give skis to their sponsored athletes that were worse than the retail.

What are the retail GSX and SLX selling for? Do they come with a plate?
post #6 of 21
Question: Have you ever skied on a world cup ski?
Question: Have you ever skied a race room ski?
Question: How do you expect to get your hands on a pair of WC SLX, or GSX?
If youre not racing dont bother trying any world cup ski, because they arent safe to ski on. I had the pleasure of spending some time on a womens worldcup stock rossi 9s 150cm. This was more ski than i could handle. After skiing the Elan SLX this WC ski felt like a POS. The Elan race skis are not your typical race ski anyways. They actually retail the same skis that they give their sponsored athletes. If youre looking for a race ski that is as close to race stock as you are going to get your best bet is Elan or Stockli. Both companies have scrapped the cap construction in their race skis and gone with 100% vertical side walls, running the length of the entire ski. Typically this is only something you see in real race skis. Compare this seasons fischer line to the fischer race room line: The retail SC has a 120some mm tip, the race room model only has about a 112ish mm tip and the ski has vertical sidewalls and sandwich construction. These skis are only available from reps, and high end shops - for quite a price. So as far as Elans are concerned they dont make a true race room ski - they build one hell of a retail model, probably the best race ski from any company that is making skis right now. If youre looking to go above the SLX and GSX i dont think you will notice much of a difference. The stock SLX will be stiffer and not come alive at low speeds like the regular SLX does. You will find yourself on a very terrifying ride that leaves your legs feeling like you just did a 120lb leg extension for 5 or 10 minutes straight (yes i mean w/o dropping it and w/o reping it - just holding it). I can ask my reps about WC stocks, but honestly i dont know any skiers that can out ski the SLX or GSX. If youre claiming you can, then i want to see you ski and get a lot of pointers from you too... also chances are you ended last season with about 2 FIS points too. As far as getting those skis, doubt you can, unless you are sponsored.
post #7 of 21
As for the plate, ill let you know monday night after i get my two pairs of SLX's. Hopefully they dont come with a plate attached because i would rather use my two poweraxe sl plates on the skis.
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 

Everyone that I race with skis on race stock or better. Saying a ski is unsafe to ski on is ridiculous. I don't think it is fair to blame an innocent pair of skis for something that was the skier's fault. World Cup stock equipment isn't that special. I've been asking around and the retail GSX and SLX sound like great skis, but I will probably be ordering the WC stocks. The price is right.

Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
If youre looking to go above the SLX and GSX i dont think you will notice much of a difference. The stock SLX will be stiffer and not come alive at low speeds like the regular SLX does.
I wouldn't make any assumptions on how the world cup race stock skis behave without either skiing them or talking to a rep.

By the way:

When were you in Waterville? Was it for USCSA?
post #9 of 21
I agree. Sometimes race stock skis can actually feel softer
fore aft than retail, depending on what flex you end up with.
This is particularly true of Super G and downhill skis.
Most good 15 to 16 year old racers, depending on their size all ski on race stock.

I have been skiing on World Cup race stock Salomon 3v's for the last 2 years and have let at least 5 of my friends try them and they all loved them.A bit more stout and more energetic but far from unmanageable.

You are making too much of the whole "race stock" deal.

post #10 of 21
Yeah it was for USCSA. The reason i said the rossis were not safe is because they just wanted to go too fast for the crowded trails at waterville, especially if it wasnt groomed well. I agree that race stock isnt a big deal, but there are not a lot of skiers out there that need race stock, some cant even tell the difference. For companies like Elan that build such high end regular skis i would not be surprised to see the WC stocks very close to what those skis are. Everyone that i know that was sponsored by Elan last season skied on the regular skis - not WC stocks. I guess their normal model is equivalent to a race room ski. I will talk to the reps tomorrow night to see what the difference is between the WC skis and the regular models. At waterville i was told the difference was in the size of the edge on them, and after skiing on them (judging from the performance) i guessed this to be true. I do ski on race stocks for GS, but after skiing the Elan SLX i figured that even if it wasnt a race stock it would be enough ski.
post #11 of 21
This issue seems to come up from time to time. First, I would never again buy pure race stock without a demo. My last Mt Hood camp taught me that. They are different from retail skis, for good reason. They are intended for the elite few thousand souls who have the leg strength, stamina, technique, and level (FIS, high collegiate, National-level Masters and above)to benefit form the stiffness, torsional resistance, and energy these skis deliver. They ski poorly if you don't have all these attributes.

If it's GS, can you competently ski at 40-45 mph? Can you do a GS turn at that speed? How about 20 in a row at that speed? Still with me? Than yes race stock is probably right for you. Otherwise, you will be faster on retail race skis. That is because your less than FIS strength, ability, and technique will benefit from the slightly greater forgiveness of the sub-race stock. To ski race stock/race room when tired, of marginal race ability, or on too-icy unfamiliar courses will make you ski slower, since you will spend a lot of effort trying to stay balanced, keep your line, and manage a ski that is designed to react instantly to skill as well as error.

I ski Stockli GS and SL (2003) and am a fairly strong masters racer. These are pretty close to race stock, and sometimes run away from me. They are serious business skis. When not in the course, I'm on the Stormrider Fry, and enjoy them. I think about my instructor at camp with soft coach's boots, short old banged up Volkl P40's off the shelf, no speed suit, hacked up rental poles, who absolutely kicked all of our butts in the GS course with little apparent effort. Myself included, we all agonize too much about skiing what Hermann skis, and too little working on the skills and abilities required to actually ski fast in the course.

This reply is intended mostly for those who are contemplating true race stock, but have never spent a week skiing a pair. It seems logical that if retail race is good, than race room must be better. Not necessarily so for a given person. Be careful and demo, lest they end up on ebay.

P.S. By the way, SG and DH skis may seem relatively softer when flexed lengthwise, but torsionally they are stiffer. That means a rough ride for skiers not travelling over 55mph in near perfect carves on a course. Or so it seems to me.

[ October 07, 2002, 07:17 AM: Message edited by: TJazz ]
post #12 of 21
HeluvaSkier and MTU Alpine
Let's get some info on you guys. What teams do you race for? What seed? What are your USSA/FIS points? How much do you weigh?Where will you be racing? That's the info one needs to decide whether race stocks make sense.
post #13 of 21
Thread Starter 
Greg, our team was at Waterville as well. The liquor stores in the Plymouth area really got worked that week.

I will say that I have been impressed by the world cup and race stock skis I have owned over the past few years. I believe that they are built tougher than retail skis. I have broken pairs of retail skis but never a race stock. From the sound of it, Elans retail ski is basically what most companies offer as a step above retail. If I got a really good price on store SLX and GSX skis I would consider them. $450 seems expensive to me and that is only $20 profit for the shop.

The skis I skied last year were a K2 Mach G race stock and a year old pair of Fisher WC slaloms. I didn't demo either pair before buying them, but really I don't think it matters. A fairly competent skier should be able to handle any ski on the market. Each one has its own personality, but if you talk to them right they will perform. I especially liked my slaloms from last year. They weren't stiff, as everyone expects of a WC ski, but rather the softest ski I have ever owned.

My Mach Gs had a salomon proaxe plate on them and I didn't think they were very stiff. I would be less happy on a softer retail ski that I couldn't trust to be there whenever I threw them out.

Race stocks aren't much harder to ski. They make sense in my situation because I will make them work.

So what did you learn from the reps Greg?
post #14 of 21
Well from my reps i learned that the stock skis quite a bit better than the regular model, more energy, faster turns, different tip design so the sidecut actually is at its max as the tip turns up, so it contacts the snow when you turn... and they are stiffer. The best thing i found out about the WC stocks is that they were out in the van... so now im the proud owner of a pair of 155cm Elan SLX T world cup stocks, and i also got the 154cm regular stock for free skiing on. Both skis will be mounted with poweraxe race lifters and FIS914 bindings with some special lifters i picked up to put me right at 55mm. The two skis should be a blast to ski on. I cant wait.

ps. You are right about the sidecuts on the skis, the 155 is 109 63 98, with an 11.5m turn radius. The 160 stock is the same radius with a wider tip and tail. They are easily identified because the tip protectors are half circles instead of the strange shape that is on the regular stock and thye dont have any of those bumps on the ski. They are also a slight bit lighter than the store model. There was also a WC GSX as well, same characteristics as mentioned with the SLX.
post #15 of 21
True that about the liquor stores...
post #16 of 21
MTU Alpine
I ski on race stocks. My race stocks are a totally different design and construction than the Production ski. They are a lot easier to ski and more versatile also. They rock in the course also.
My question about ability, teams etc, was intended to figure out if you guys were of caliber that should be getting race stocks. The system is really screwed up. I see kids that are not that good getting sponsored, while some talented, hard working young racers don't even get pro-form deals. It all really depends on where you're from and who you know.

Also is this your ski team?


[ October 08, 2002, 05:47 PM: Message edited by: NordtheBarbarian ]
post #17 of 21
Thread Starter 
I know what you were intending. I'm not going to spend my time trying to convince someone else what equipment would be best for me. I do agree that the system is far from perfect.

As for the webpage, that's what the Nordys do in their free time. We (the alpine team) don't want any incriminating evidence of our social events to be released to the general public. It would not be appropriate for young viewers.
post #18 of 21

I didn't see that you guys bought any liquor.

It looked like you were just "borrowing" from the UWLAX and Minn girls.

Pa Baker
post #19 of 21
Did anyone hit up the party that Cornell and Syracuse had at their condo? That one was pretty fun... we also found a party that was all grad studnets from harvard... roll up to one of those in the Volkl van and you get some looks like you dont belong there. haha.
post #20 of 21
MTU Alpine
If you're skiing for Tech's travel team, then you have better Points/Ability than most of the other people on this board. So get the best/newest race skis you can get. Race stocks/limited production whatever, you can ski it. The Elans usaully are pretty cheap and easy to get even if you don't have a local rep or if your racing college and don't have USSA points.

A good place to test skis is the early-season demo at Indianhead. You may have to call the reps to get them to bring the skis you want to test.

Indianhead Mountain"Demo Days" December 6-8, 2002

[ October 10, 2002, 01:08 PM: Message edited by: NordtheBarbarian ]
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 
We are easy scapegoats, but it had to be someone else. I'll find them and make them buy more beer.

I ordered the skis. You seem to know the hills around here. Do you spend much time in the UP?
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