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"The Yankees win...The-e-e-e-e-e-e- YANKEES WIN!!!!"
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How can they declare the YANKEES the division Champions when there is still one remaining game between the Red Sox and the Yankees. When the RED SOX win today they will be tied with the Yankees . Does the game at 2:05 in BOSTON today NOT count?

Tell me if I am wrong but, when the Yankees loose today and the Red Sox win, doesn't that mean that they will have identical records again.
http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/standings
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If the Sox and Yankees tie, and the Indians are eliminated (which will be the case if the sox and yankees tie, due to the Indians just losing two games in a row) than there would be no one game playoff. They are only used to determine which of two teams actually get to GO to the playoffs.

If the only ramification is playoff seeding (which team is the division winner, and that's all that really means, and which team is the wild card) then it is decided by head to head matchups.

If the sox win today the season series between Boston and New York will be 10 wins for NY and 9 for Boston, thus the Sox getting the wild card. The most wins the Indians could get is 94 with a win today - Sox with a win would have 95 wins.

The game today DOES have meaning, becuase the Indians could still tie the sox's season record at 94 games if the sox lose and the indians win. There would then be a one game playoff between those two teams (monday at 7pm in Boston) to determine who is the wild card winner.

So simply put whatever happens today the Sox cannot win the division, thus the Yankees clinching it - but they are still in the running for the Wild Card.
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
If the Sox and Yankees tie, and the Indians are eliminated (which will be the case if the sox and yankees tie, due to the Indians just losing two games in a row) than there would be no one game playoff. They are only used to determine which of two teams actually get to GO to the playoffs.

If the only ramification is playoff seeding (which team is the division winner, and that's all that really means, and which team is the wild card) then it is decided by head to head matchups.

If the sox win today the season series between Boston and New York will be 10 wins for NY and 9 for Boston, thus the Sox getting the wild card. The most wins the Indians could get is 94 with a win today - Sox with a win would have 95 wins.

The game today DOES have meaning, becuase the Indians could still tie the sox's season record at 94 games if the sox lose and the indians win. There would then be a one game playoff between those two teams (monday at 7pm in Boston) to determine who is the wild card winner.

So simply put whatever happens today the Sox cannot win the division, thus the Yankees clinching it - but they are still in the running for the Wild Card.

The Yankee/Red Sox game also has meaning in the seeding for the American League...which determines who has 'home field' advantage in the series between the Angels and the Yankees
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With eight straight second-place finishes, the Red Sox should be kissing Bud Selig's feet for being such a strong proponent of the wild card format.
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Originally Posted by jamesdeluxe
With eight straight second-place finishes, the Red Sox should be kissing Bud Selig's feet for being such a strong proponent of the wild card format.
Sox didn't finish in 2nd place this year - both teams won 95 games. If it wasn't for the wild card there would have been a one game playoff.

Basically as it stands the Sox and Yankees should really be called co-Division Champs. The head to head tie breaker was used to determine seeding.

I was very surprised that Torre gave up the game so early yesterday, as they were still playing for home field against the Angels, btw.
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I do give the Yankees a lot of credit for their incredible push to make the playoffs. Proves what experience can do - just as Cleveland showed what lack of experience can do.

Should be a fun October.
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
I was very surprised that Torre gave up the game so early yesterday, as they were still playing for home field against the Angels, btw.
This was an interesting sub plot...I believe there was multifaceted reasoning involved.....
1. The Yankees were getting beat convincingly.
2. The Angels took the lead in middle innings (this game was started before the Yanks/Sox)
3. Angels have the best bullpen in baseball.
4. After the Angels took the lead....Showalter(Texas) pulled all his starters!! All this information travels quickly in these circumstances....

So, I figured Torre.....decided not to risk any injury when the chances were that stacked against the Yanks..........They could have avoided all this by winning yesterday!
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I had the yankees/sox game on tv, and my laptop on the ottoman with MLB gameday on the Cleveland game, and Fox's realtime thing on the Angels game. Also checked out the Patriot's game from time to time. This with my 82 year old future father in law, who found my use of technology, shall we say, interesting?
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Originally Posted by Shen
Wow, it's truly amazing what a $200 million payroll will do.: I hope they win it all. Perhaps then the rest of the idiots that run baseball will wake up and realize that something is wrong.

Major League Baseball is broken and the Yankees are a big part of the problem.
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Originally Posted by Springhill Crazie
Major League Baseball is broken and the Yankees are a big part of the problem.
... says the disgruntled Pirates fan.

That's what happens when your team draws 4+ million and tons of enthusiastic fans make your cable network a goldmine.
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Springhill has been preaching this message for a while and he has a good point. Revenue sharing has helped the NFL and could help MLB.
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factoid

Yankees-Angels: The Angels are the only team with a winning record against Joe Torre in his run as Yankees manager, and are 49-48 against them since 1996. They also beat them in their 2002 run and have won the season series the last two seasons. Like the Sox, they aren't at all mesmerized by pinstripes. (Not that home-field would've mattered; Yanks won't get out of the first round.)

What makes the "second place" remark almost funny is the identical records of both teams, and the yankees losing two of three to "win" the division. But hey, grab what you gotta grab. Maybe if New York could've handled the Devil Rays a little better...

Schilling's first couple innings were worrisome; velocity way off and missing his spots, often by a lot. Kept waiting for the bombs to start; nice to see him reign it in.

Manny locked in? Look Out.

No problem with David "Fat Ass Drunk" Wells, either.

Springhill's sentiments are copiously documented .

My MVP vote is split; both A-rod and D.O. are deserving.

Joe Morgan: GREAT player, hooooooorrrrribbllee broadcaster.

Play Ball.
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Originally Posted by Springhill Crazie
Major League Baseball is broken and the Yankees are a big part of the problem.
The Yankees are running their affairs within the constructs of Major League Baseball. They also pay A LOT of luxury tax money which is divided amoung other teams....INCLUDING...Pirates...and the vaunted Devil Rays..the Devil Rays owner chooses to put it in his pocket...and not back into the team...which under the current construct is acceptable.

This will cease very soon...as the Yankees will be building a new stadium...funded by the Yankees(many cities ask the tax payers to foot some of the bill).....this will allow any 'shared revenue' to be put back into the organization....and not given to other owners...who may or may not put the stipend back into baseball.

The Yankees drew over 4 million to Yankee Stadium this year...and filled many parks they visited.....So, putting a good product on the field......seems to be paying off ......for everyone....including all the other teams.

I agree that MLB does need to look at revenue; and the way it is distributed and used. But, calling out the Yankees (when it can potentially benefit your home team) for operating with the framework of the league is fruitless.
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"Young man, I didn't appreciate the negative tenor of that article."
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far as i'm concerned, the george plays by the rules.
fix the rules, don't blame steinbrenner.

these guys didn't get rich watching out for The Other Guy.

red sox don't do poorly where revenue is concerned, either.
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Originally Posted by ryan
Joe Morgan: GREAT player, hooooooorrrrribbllee broadcaster.
You, obviously, didn't ask him for an opinion of his broadcasting ability, now did you?

Couldn't agree more with that assessment.
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rantette

he says the same thing over and over, for one, as if saying it again, or louder, makes it right. did you catch the backpedaling he was doing the half-inning after he'd made some crack about how even though what he does "isn't fun," he still enjoys being there. (he was referring to a comment torre made, about HIS position being where he wants to be, though it's not "fun." (in the context of torre's managerial position, etc., it makes sense.)

you KNEW the next half-inning, when jon miller was trying AGAIN to help morgan get his feet out his mouth, that someone in the truck had suggested he might want to "clarify" his statement. next thing you know, morgan's falling over himself trying to right the ship.

dumbass. it's gotta be hard announcing these games, flying first class, lodging first class, etc.

morgan IS catching some heat lately for his arrogance, his lack of clarity and his shortcomings re: baseball analysis. one of the best ever on the field; off it, in the booth, the emperor has no clothes.

he even makes mccarver tolerable.

sort of.

i really enjoy rick sutcliffe. bring's the players' perspective, breaks it down, and is dang funny while being insightful. AND he'll laugh at himself. you'll never hear that from joe morgan.

i'm already afraid of the joe buck world series.
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Isn't Morgan the one who used to flap his left arm while waiting for the pitch?
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YES (PLUS more than you wanted to know)

nellie fox made the suggestion to him when morgan was starting out with houston in the mid-60's. he "flapped" the back arm to keep the elbow up, thus keeping the back shoulder up.

a dropped back shoulder results in an uppercut swing, which is longer, usually resulting in lazy flies and pop-ups; not what a small guy with big speed wants going on.

bobby tolan, on those same reds teams, had a similar issue and his "device" was to keep his hands VERY high, like he was reaching for the sky with the bat in his hands. another guy with tremendous speed who wanted the ball on the ground more than in the air.

kinda like a reminder "waggle" when you address your titleist.

maybe i'm still bitter about little joe's role in stuffing the series hopes of the '75 sox.
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
Springhill has been preaching this message for a while and he has a good point. Revenue sharing has helped the NFL and could help MLB.
SkiMango- do your homework. MLB does have revenue sharing. Its not the Yankees fault that those "small market teams" don't spend that money on improving their roster.

I think its a salary cap that you're trying to use as an example here.
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Originally Posted by Shen
I agree that MLB does need to look at revenue; and the way it is distributed and used. But, calling out the Yankees (when it can potentially benefit your home team) for operating with the framework of the league is fruitless.
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Originally Posted by ryan
far as i'm concerned, the george plays by the rules.
fix the rules, don't blame steinbrenner.

these guys didn't get rich watching out for The Other Guy.

red sox don't do poorly where revenue is concerned, either.
You both are right, sorry to rain on your parade. Baseball is in decline as a national sport. The NFL has a model that works, hockey is following that model. All teams have a chance at a winning season. Talent has spread through out the league yet great teams are still possible. Will the idiots who run baseball ever figure that out? For the sake of the sport, I hope so.

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Originally Posted by jamesdeluxe
... says the disgruntled Pirates fan.
Thirteen straight losing seasons will do that but don't count me among the Pirate's 1.8 million paying customers.

Enough sour grapes. Enjoy the play-offs and the series. If anyone is coming to Pittsburgh next year for the All Star game give me a call and we'll hoist a few brews.
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
SkiMango- do your homework. MLB does have revenue sharing. Its not the Yankees fault that those "small market teams" don't spend that money on improving their roster.

I think its a salary cap that you're trying to use as an example here.
Whatever.
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Originally Posted by Springhill Crazie
Thirteen straight losing seasons will do that but don't count me among the Pirate's 1.8 million paying customers.
....jeeez that sucks....@ least Jason Bay is a the real deal
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Nice. The good Mussina showed up last night.

In 2002, the Yanks won Game 1 before losing the next three to the Angels, but LA's offense isn't nearly as strong this season. Yankees in four.
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