Originally Posted by gonzostrike
this is nonsense.
1) nobody has an innate right to be an alpine skier
2) nobody who has imagined that he/she will become an alpine skier automatically gets the right to ski
3) being "poor" or "rich" is totally relative. do you have a particular income bright line test? maybe a net worth test? perhaps a "parental conduit" amendment?
What did I say that had anything to do with this?
I merely pointed out that its more than a little typical for the wealthy to sit around bashing the poor for their lousy morals.
I don't actually care one way or another about the morals of cutting a lift-ticket. In the grand scheme of things, its such a meaningless crime that its discussion only serves to reinforce point a: wealthy people love to blame the poor for just about anything.
|4) if you want some item or a particular service, you have to be able to pay for it, unless the item/service is provided for free.
Oh really? Gee, I didn't know that.
|5) if you can convince the maker of the item or provider of the service to do an in-kind or quid pro quo barter you might be able to reduce or avoid the monetary cost of the item/service
Gee, perhaps you didn't read the part where I mentioned I don't sell my ticket because I didn't pay for it
|6) the reason people get "self-righteous" about this subject is because many of us have made HUGE sacrifices to be able to ski and buy ski equipment, and we have not taken illegal shortcuts to do so. we are living proof that being "poor" doesn't mean you are forced to break the law, whether that be to ski or to do any other activity.
Right. Of course, none of you "huge sacrifice" makers are anywhere close to "poor", but thats a different story entirely. I kind of find it hard to classify people with internet access and skiing habits as "poor". Its a bit of a slap in the face to people who are truly poor. There is such a big difference between people that have "made sacrifices" so they can have the cool ski gear and ski all the time and POOR people that I can't believe you'd bring it up.
If the widely available statistics on income tax didn't nearly guarantee many of those on the "moral high ground" in this thread are tax cheats, I might find it less ironic. Of course, cheating on your taxes is different. Thats acceptable to the wealthy conservative skiing population.
Whether or not the kid asking me for a ticket in the parking lot is "poor" is kind of irrelevant. I couldn't care less. I'm not his mommy. So long as the resorts continue to not offer ticket prices those people are either willing or able to pay, I'm not going to complain about them looking for a cheaper way out. Its human nature. Only a fat wallet or supposed moral superiority can let you claim otherwise.
|7) I haven't yet heard a valid explanation or rationale for theft of goods or services from any ski area. you don't like the prices, go somewhere else. the fact that the ski area is a posh, pretentious, snobbish place like Vail or Deer Valley doesn't justify theft.
My local hill sells 2, 4, and 8 hour tickets. They've done this for decades. I've never seen someone selling/buying clipped tickets. I've probably skied there 1000 days or more. I've seen a few tickets given away.
At shitholes like Killington, its more the rule. Everyone is buying clipped tickets it sometimes seems in the parking lot on my way out. You see, I have to be at work at noon on Sunday. So I have to leave at 10:45.
I can guarantee you the local people aren't more "moral" than the people at Killington. Economics drives people to buy "illicit" tickets at a shithole like that.
And as far as "justifying theft", you first have to justify non-transferrable tickets. I find almost any non-transferrable consumer good to not be justifiable. Lets see who sticks up for the carmakers when they start selling non-transferrable automobiles.
For all that are confused by the apparently lax enforcement of these rules EVEN ON THE RESORT PROPERTY, let me explain in simple terms:
Four ticket cutters show up. Three will not ski if they can't find a cut ticket. They will turn around and go back to their local digs.
a) The resort keeps everyone in line and no cut tickets are sold. They make 58 dollars on a young adult ticket. That guy spends 40 bucks elsewhere in the resort through the course of the day.
b) They let the practice go on in the lot. Four more people come and enjoy the skiing. These people spend 40 bucks a piece through the course of the day. Likely being young, probably on silly high profit items like alcohol.
Which one is more profitable?