RW, you said it better than I did;
Originally Posted by RW
...We arn't talking about the up and down movement through the turn as was popular in the late 70's, or absorbition movements, but independant leg action...
Considerable pressuring of skis early in a turn was necessary on those classic stiff skis with their shallow sidecuts. And no disagreement at all that these older movements can still be used successfully on current skis. It just isn’t as necessary any more.
But I'm also saying that much of the 'independant leg action' (meaning extra flex for the Inside-Leg) can largely be eliminated
if we desire. Not so easily in Wedge, WC and Open Parallel turns, but certainly in Dynamic Parallel turns.
For Wedge, WC and Open Parallel, I teach all the usual suspects including flex & extend as described in PSIA manuals. These three turn-types all employ the same direction-change and speed-control mechanism: Lateral Ski Displacement (twist and/or skid). For these turn types I think the old methods are best suited to the dynamics of the turns, but I see Dynamic Parallel as a whole different animal - one that allows for a wider variety of equally effective turn mechanics.I am
very conscious of the degree to which I apply flex & extend. It’s not that I’m not noticing my flex & extend, it’s that I’ve deliberately
modified my Dynamic Parallel technique to eliminate as much of it as possible. I’ll probably get mauled by a few Bears for this one but…
We all realize the need for long-leg/short-leg in the midst of our turn due to inclination. We need to bend the knee of our Inside-Leg to ‘lower’ our Outside-Foot back down to the snow. No-brainer there. But Why
do we ‘need to’ in the first place? Perhaps because our pelvis is… in a less ideal configuration than it might otherwise be?
Consider this possibility: Strongly tilting our pelvis during the turn can create the necessary difference in leg-length without Inside-Leg flexion.
With a properly tilted pelvis both skis can remain in proper contact with the snow despite considerable inclination. If anyone needs proof of this just lean against a wall at arms length. With both legs fully extended see how far you can tilt toward the wall - while keeping both legs straight and the Edges of both feet on the floor. Be sure to tilt your pelvis as much as needed. Personally I can incline my shins to about 45 degrees before things go astray.
A wide stance-width is detrimental to this technique so I tend to ski a ‘normal’ stance-width (legs straight down from hips) or just a bit less. If I adjust to stance to a width wider than pure pelvic-tilt can accommodate I amend my ‘pelvic’ long-leg/short-leg technique with regular ‘Inside-Leg-Flex’.
Strong lifting of the Inside-Hip does wonders for turn power and can accommodate most turn-inclination requirements. Only a slight Inside-Knee bend is necessary for comfort and safety.
use continuous ankle-flex adjustments in my Fore/Aft balance and for leverage adjustments against the front of the Inside-Ski. As RW mentions we can use bending of the Inside knee & ankle to pull the Inside-Ski back (paraphrase).
This works well to lever pressure onto the front of the Inside-Ski thereby adjusting its turn radius to be more concentric with the Outside-Ski’s turn radius. It’s still a minimal movement though - driving the Outside-Leg around with pelvic rotation (about the Inside-Leg) keeps the Inside-Leg in a rather constant relationship with the Outside-Leg so once the basic form is established, both skis track nicely without the need for tip-lead adjustment throughout the turn.
As for ‘Absorption’ requirements I meet them another way when using this method; ‘Flexible angulation’. This is just a matter of using ankle, knee, hip & spine angulation in a flexible manner. As pressure builds, I’m angulated more. Think of it as a kind of Lateral Flexing (called ‘folding’ by the former Examiner who introduced me to the idea). “But increased angulation will tighten you turn radius!” …they all shout. Yes it could, but it doesn’t have to
Rick’s pretty good with all this angulation/inclination/(and timing
) stuff… Care to jump in on this Rick or would you rather just Maul me for it?
No, not smokin’ anything. Really, I’m not. In another thread I mentioned advancing my skills in a very short time - sufficiently meet the L2 skiing expectation. These adjustments to my formerly understood concepts made all the difference.
I’m quite familiar with flex & extend concepts as presented by others and have used them a lot, so I’m not contesting
any of those techniques - just presenting an alternative that works better for me.