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Can anyone give us a definative comprehensive analysis of the plate issue?
There are different kinds of plates - riser; stiff racing; softer; split like the Vist or new Rossi etc.. Several of this years new models are receiving reviews that attribute their higher than otherwise rating because of the good plate that they come with.
Which plate to use, on which skis, if at all?
The only thing I have been able to sort of put together is I think:
Stiff racing skis for hard snow carving: riser plate for leverage, and also stiff version (directs the weight and energy of the skier to the center of the ski to help decamber it). Example: Vist (also has the split in the middle to help acheive a deeper bend al la modern binding systems.)
All Mountain Free Skis: softer flex to add versatility and forgiveness. Example: many of the regular (non-Vist) plates that do just the opposite - they spread the pressure fore and aft aiding in correcting minor balance errors. There are also skis which address this in their contruction, like the X designs.
Powder Skis: Seem to always come flat, and always are advised without any plate (and regular - non-FreeFlex type bindings). It is evidently undesirable to have a riser plate, but I'm not sure why. You don't need the added height for leverage in soft snow (the absence of a plate will also match the softer flex of the ski). But, why specifically?
Should we all be replacing our stock plates on a hard snow technician to after market Vists, or is the stock one better for free skiing? Example: The Head Carving Plate 13 (13mm height) which comes with most of their "Racing" skis (by the way, Head's real race stock iSL RD comes with a Vist plate).
Can anyone please give us the whole story? Thanks.
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1)for hard snow the Vist plates add ht & dampen the ski considerably: Most of the Plates out there ..Rossi, Head, Elan, Blizzard.... are actually made by Vist to the companies specs & colors. the Vist plate (there are some indies out there like fischer) make the ski perform better on ice & harder to skid
2) Most of the non-vist plates are plastic & only really add a cm or two of lift. This is perfect for all mtn skiers/skis. Little xtra lift, not a ton of effort to bend the ski like a vist-style set up.
3) Fat or powder skis are not made to carve & work well with pivot style turns. Hard to turn a heavy vist race ski in the pow. Here lack of ht make the pivot tun easier.

hope this helps, got to vist.it & see who the produce for!

BTW: what is Bs"D?
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Thanks iriponsnow.
Bs"D = "With the help of Heaven".
I preface it (the thought/admission/prayer) to everything I do.
Have a great season.
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I have some plates on my new Stockli SCs. Never had plates before. Not a plates person. but stockli importer went and rumaged under the stairs to find these, for soem reason he felt it was important to have plates on these skis. They are quite modest, black ones, open in the middle. He got them from some mob in Italy. I didn't pay extra for them, he threw them in with the bindings.
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