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Anyone in and around NYC recommend a good bootfitter?

post #1 of 16
Thread Starter 
Anywhere in the city?
Anywhere in the Southern reaches of Vt?
post #2 of 16
Jeff Rich, U.S. Orthotic Center, NYC.- he's the best bet. Google him.
Scandinavian Ski shop on 57th st.

There's nothing else that I know of. Avoid Paragon. A good rule of thumb is never buy boots below 7000 feet. If you must, these guys worked well for me in the past.
post #3 of 16
Pedigree in white Plains has some great guys, Jeff rich is great but pricey. Try Surefoot as well. If you ski at Stratton, the Best of the Best is Greg Hoffman at Green Mountain Orthodics.
post #4 of 16
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Originally Posted by Mr. Crab
A good rule of thumb is never buy boots below 7000 feet.
Thats BS. Vermont has probobly the best collection of Bootfitters in the country!!!
post #5 of 16
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by skifordad
Pedigree in white Plains has some great guys, Jeff rich is great but pricey. Try Surefoot as well. If you ski at Stratton, the Best of the Best is Greg Hoffman at Green Mountain Orthodics.
How much is Jeff Rich?
I sent him an email today but haven't heard back yet.
post #6 of 16
Hey there m's lobotomy -
IMO - and I'll repeat - my opinion - if you really mean to find an actual bootfitter, I'd strongly caution you about finding one in NYC. I'm sure others will weigh in with their opinion, but here's my experience fwiw. Been living here for 10+ years. What I've seen in every Manhattan shop is limited stock on the shelves, and the subsequent push to fit your foot in what they have. I've encountered salesman rather than fitters. And those that call themselves fitters have limited experience, despite good intentions. For the amount of money you need to spend on boots, and how important the fit is, I'd look elsewhere. If you've got an average foot shape, maybe you'll have better luck. I and my gf have had trouble everywhere: Surefoot in Manhattan pushed a wide Diablo for my 98mm foot, saying their foam is the answer. Scandanavian pushed (harder than anybody) a Lange purchase on my gf when she was in excruciating pain for 30 minutes in the shop, then numb footed, insisting that we buy the boot and then heating the liner would make it perfect. Almost killed her desire to ski. Only at the end did they confess they would try a different model if they only had one in stock. Princeton was well intentioned but couldn't fit a boot after 7 hours of adjustments in the shop. I just tried a 120 Comp LF Lange at Paragon (first time I finally found one in any shop in town) and got zero useful fitting assistance, and was actually told they don't carry any boot that requires work (even though they "have a really good fitter" later in the year). I finally walked out of the shop after wearing the boots for 20 minutes with no service, no one around at all. I would follow the usual advice of so many other posters in so many other threads, and look at GMOL (haven't been there, but if I had to start over, that's what I'd do), or do as you've done, place a call to Jeff Rich. Best of luck to you
post #7 of 16
The advice to get boots up in the mountains is probably correct in theory. But for me, if I'm up in the mountains it's winter and I could be skiing, so I'd rather not spend hours in a shop. That's what the off-season is for.

So back in the city ... if you'd go up to Westchester, you may have better luck. Pedigree in White Plains treated me exactly the OPPOSITE of what Tigerpaw experienced. I went on a slow day towards end of a season - their stock was low - they spent 30 - 40 minutes with me running through what they had and concluded that nothing left in stock would fit me slightly unusual feet. So they told me exactly what would work for me and suggested I look for it elsewhere so I wouldn't be unhappy with the purchase. I snagged it on eBay and Pedigree was right, the boot fit perfectly, especially after they spent 10 minutes tweaking it when I came in the next fall for binding check and tuneups. Then two years later after it packed out and I thought I wanted a new boot -- their wizard spent 20 minutes fiddling with it and it felt new and snug again.

I stuck with Pedigree for a few years and am now using Hickory & Tweed in Armonk for tuneups, bindings, kids' gear etc. H&T seems to provide the same level of service (or better), based on what I see and based on a friend's experience getting fitted with boots there. Also H&T is a "certified America's best bootfitters" shop for whatever that's worth.

Note, Pedigree has a few other branches but both these shops are on the small, pricey, service-oriented side of the spectrum. I'd avoid Princeton and Paragon like the plague. And if you're going up to Pedigree or H&T on weekends, I'd do it sooner not later, or early in the day. As the winter approaches and crowds build up on weekends it can get a little crazy.
post #8 of 16
Greg at Heino's in Pequannock, NJ.
post #9 of 16
I also am in the don't buy boots in the city camp. Ideally you should buy boots where you ski. That way you are always close to getting some help. If you want to know who's the best around any mountain just knock on the ski school door. Usually a consensus emerges among the instructors about who's the best nearby.

Also, I think most people make the mistake of buying boots that feel good to their toes and the rest of the front of the foot. Actually one should ignore the front of the foot and go for the best fit around the ankle and calf. Once that is achived a good boot fitter can grind or stretch (blow) out the front of the boot to eliminate any hot spots or pressure points. Most of the folks I've met who seem to know boots and have achieved a good fit have had their boot fitters 'tweak' their boots several times before getting it right. This is most easily accomplished by being able to visit the bootfitter right after skiing for the day. Next day you can see if you're good. It usually takes me at least two trips back to the boot shop before I'm good to go.

Hope this helps,

Steve
post #10 of 16
I can speak to all mentioned as I have used just about everyone that's been mentioned. I bought my boots at GMOL at stratton(Sollie x-waves) several years ago as I got back in to skiing after a 15 yr gap. Being heavily knock-kneed, and having used cants 20 yrs ago, I found I needed more work done. I went to Jeff Rich and got custom orthotics. W also had the boots canted on the bottom. He did the measurements but then sent them back to Gregg at GMOL. They actually did the work. The whole process has taken two years of tweaks and adjustments, but I can tell you that my skiing has NEVER been this good. I strongly urge you to get fitted correctly. GMOL and Jeff are NOT cheap. I would avoid Paragon, Pedigree, etc.. for bootfitting. I believe Scandanavian has closed. Jeff does not sell boots. He does orthotics and will make suggestions as to what might work for you.
post #11 of 16
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Originally Posted by ts01
I stuck with Pedigree for a few years and am now using Hickory & Tweed in Armonk for tuneups, bindings, kids' gear etc.
you're kidding about the name, right?

oh wait, it's in Armonk.

I bet they have valet parking and a mandatory SUV program.

they also sell Barbour waxed cotton "field coats" and similar "hunt club" garb I'm sure. don't forget your "playful whales" pants, surcingle belt, 100% cotton Brooksie Makers shirt. wouldn't want to be ignored by the upper echelon Sales Associates.
post #12 of 16
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Originally Posted by skifordad
Thats BS. Vermont has probobly the best collection of Bootfitters in the country!!!


except Vermont, of course!
post #13 of 16
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
you're kidding about the name, right?
unforunately not, that's really their name >>> but is it any more snobbish than "pedigree"?

btw, muffy and buffy send you their regards. they got a new range rover for weekend jaunts to stratton.

miss the east coast much?
post #14 of 16
Rich is good, but expensive.

I'd call Barry Betts at Pedigree White Plains. Second choice would Hickory & Tweed.

Pedigree is so named because the original family business was a pet store.
post #15 of 16
mnemosyne's lobotomy,

Try Ben Wax at Inner Boot Works in Stowe VT.

Can't get much better than him.
post #16 of 16
Thread Starter 
For the time being I'm going to wait to hear back from Jeff Rich. I'll see what he has to say. My fiance and I are taking a weekend up in Southern Vt in a few weeks (with the understanding that I'm going to spend an absurd amount of time on Saturday or Sunday fitting ski boots ). I'm either going to use GMOL in Stratton or go back to Hal at Northern Ski Works in Killington.

My situation is this. I bought a new pair of boots last year after using the same pair for ~8years. Last year toward the end of the season I had boots fit at Northern. They didn't have anything left in my performance category in my size, so they brought out a shell from the year before (Tech. Icon Alu) and custom foamed me a liner. The shell was still a 1/2 size too big and the foam job didn't turn out that great (I had the boots looked at by a number of different people in Tahoe when I was out there last year and they all agree that the job was a bit botched and the fit wasn't right). I called Northern a few weeks ago and they said they'd take a look at them and probably take them back. If so, I feel I'm locked into working with them. They seem like good people and Hal, the guy that worked with me, seemed like he really knew his shit. He wasn't too excited at the time about putting me in those boots, but they were the only thing around that worked. He seems like a good guy, honest and knowledgable, and I still trust his boot fitting skills. That said, I'd like this Jeff Rich guy to take a look at my feet and make an assesment.

If there's one thing I've learned in 20 odd years of skiing, it's that NOTHING matters if your boots don't fit right. Put me out there naked with a pair of 20 year old Olin Mark VI's and I'll still be happy if my boots fit right.
I wouldn't buy from any store in the city. Don't trust 'em. I also wouldn't feel too comfortable with any store in Westchester or Jersey...I grew up in suburbia, my friends used to work at stores like that in Detroit...I wouldn't let them fit my boots.

Thanks for all your advice!

As for Jeff Rich and GMOL, how much do their services cost? PM me if you don't feel comfortable discussing this publicly.
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