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post #151 of 332
5/19/07 at 12:49pm
Kniessl Presto was out before the SCX. I don't know of any large scale production of shaped skis before that. The K2 Four that Bode raced on was out the same year as Elan SCX and is a shaped ski.

The SCX was marketed to beginners and intermediates, but Elan did offer a performance model and within 2 years their slalom skis shared the same dimensions as the original SCX.
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post #152 of 332
5/22/07 at 8:48pm
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Ditto

The Father of the RX8 & 9, IMO.
I think it fathered the entire concept of all-mountain midfat SL sidecuts, including Metron, at least here, since we didn't have the likes of Edelwiser / Snowrider

Can it go up against the Solly 720/1080? probably not.
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post #153 of 332
5/23/07 at 8:23am
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I think it (the Fischer Scenio S500) fathered the entire concept of all-mountain midfat SL sidecuts, including Metron, at least here...
I agree, the Volkl 5 star and Fischer Scenio (118-68-100mm) were the first all-mountain high-performance carvers. The Scenio S500 could be used in shorter sizes; at more the 220 Lbs, I was using a 170cm in all conditions.

I'm considering the Fischer Progressor (118-70-100) as a spiritual replacement for the Scenio.

Michael
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post #154 of 332
7/19/07 at 4:45pm
60s, Head and Hart- remember 360 vs. Javelin?

70s, Rossi Strato and ST 650 (I wish I never got rid of the ST650's for the ST Comp) Dynamic VR 17, K2 4,

80s, K2 KVC, Rossi 4S (the 80's - just like the music, the skis were marginal)

90s, Elan, Salomon Caps, K2 Merlin (I wish I still had mine)

00s, - Pontoon, Dynastar 8000's (just because I love mine - one of the 3 best skis I ever owned, and I've probably had 30 pair)
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post #155 of 332
7/19/07 at 6:44pm
Volkl actually built a predecessor to the 5-Star. It hink it may have even been a 2000-2001 vintage ski. It was simply called the T50 and only released in Europe or Japan... I can't remember which. It did share the same dimensions as the 5-Star that followed. The graphics that the ski had were similar to the P40 F1 (red and white version) if that dates the ski at all. Does anyone remember that ski?

Later

GREG
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post #156 of 332
7/19/07 at 6:56pm
July 19, 2007

My vote goes to Volkl P9 RS Weltcup. A GS ski which was quick edge to edge as well as being extremely stable. Well that's my re-collection and I'm sticking by it.

CharlieP
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post #157 of 332
7/19/07 at 7:14pm
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Volkl actually built a predecessor to the 5-Star. It hink it may have even been a 2000-2001 vintage ski. It was simply called the T50 and only released in Europe or Japan... I can't remember which. It did share the same dimensions as the 5-Star that followed. The graphics that the ski had were similar to the P40 F1 (red and white version) if that dates the ski at all. Does anyone remember that ski?

Later

GREG
Yes, that was a great ski. The Volkl P40 Platinum from 2001 was also an outstanding ski.
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post #158 of 332
7/19/07 at 7:21pm
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
Volkl actually built a predecessor to the 5-Star. It hink it may have even been a 2000-2001 vintage ski. It was simply called the T50 and only released in Europe or Japan... I can't remember which. It did share the same dimensions as the 5-Star that followed. The graphics that the ski had were similar to the P40 F1 (red and white version) if that dates the ski at all. Does anyone remember that ski?

Later

GREG
IIRC, I am not much on Volkl lore, but the red/white one was the T50 and there was a blue/white one, the T40, which later became the 4 Star?
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post #159 of 332
7/19/07 at 7:22pm
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier View Post
It was simply called the T50 and only released in Europe or Japan... I can't remember which. It did share the same dimensions as the 5-Star that followed. The graphics that the ski had were similar to the P40 F1 (red and white version) if that dates the ski at all. Does anyone remember that ski?
The T50 already had stars on it IIRC ( tromano, weren't you on on a pair last 7S Gathering but one?) and was available here. You might be thinking of the F5 as Euro/JP only?
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post #160 of 332
7/19/07 at 8:58pm
Volkl P-9
Volkl Gotama
Atomic Metron B-5
Volant Spatula

These skis all made a lasting impression and altered the forms of skis that followed .
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post #161 of 332
7/19/07 at 9:02pm
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Originally Posted by GarryZ View Post
Volkl P-9
Volkl Gotama
Atomic Metron B-5
Volant Spatula

These skis all made a lasting impression and altered the forms of skis that followed .
I dont know about that, but spotting talent-challenged gear tweakers certainly was easier after the metron came out...
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post #162 of 332
7/19/07 at 9:44pm
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I dont know about that, but spotting talent-challenged gear tweakers certainly was easier after the metron came out...
Nice - my thoughts exactly.
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post #163 of 332
7/19/07 at 9:51pm
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I dont know about that, but spotting talent-challenged gear tweakers certainly was easier after the metron came out...
I'm not a fan of the metron but the sidecut and versatility of it made for many shapes that are very similar that followed.
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post #164 of 332
8/13/07 at 2:42am
1960's Head Standard; Head 360; Knessil Red and White Star
1970's K2 Comp & Rossi Strato 102; Hexel Comps, Olin Mark II(Olin's first competition level race ski...it was red)
1980's VR-17 (RACE STOCK); Olin Mark VI
1990's Volkl Renntigers; Nordica Z XT (160cm with super high alloy lifts)
2000's Atomic 10.ex; Volkl Gotamas; Salomon LAB Course SL
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post #165 of 332
8/14/07 at 11:05pm
And last but not least; for the old school, "I buy skis for looks first and secondly performance crowd:"

Authier Skis
The "fake woodie top sheets" or neuvo metai top sheet laminate skis
The last year they were made in the Knessil Austrian factory as capped versions.
Vampiro de Monte Cristo C
Vampiro de Monte Crito Pro
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post #166 of 332
8/15/07 at 1:20pm

Comment from Japan...

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Originally Posted by barrettscv View Post
I agree, the Volkl 5 star and Fischer Scenio (118-68-100mm) were the first all-mountain high-performance carvers. The Scenio S500 could be used in shorter sizes; at more the 220 Lbs, I was using a 170cm in all conditions.

I'm considering the Fischer Progressor (118-70-100) as a spiritual replacement for the Scenio.

Michael
I demoed the Progressor this April on morning hard corn snow, courderoy piste and it was a managable Fischer SC clone (with the same lift interface) but as you speed up the integrated lift/interface kicks in and give you a senory illusion that you have tiny shock absorbers or should I say thick stabilizer bars on your feet, so to speak. I am a 200lb or close to it.

For those conditions I describe the Volkl non-switchable Tiger Shark 10, made a larger impression or should I say reason to separate with my hard earned yen for new skis. But like the Progressor, I am going to wait for the the 2008-09 Tiger Shark 10...it should evolve to even a more remarkable ski for non-racers. Gimicky, but the switch does work...whether you will utilize it or need to utilize it is another debate.

Enjoy, Mike.
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post #167 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:04pm
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Since this decade is almost over, thought it would be fun to bring this back.

Rossi Smash might toss his 3 cents in.
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post #168 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:07pm
have to say it for some out there

Head supershape....... - No really!
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post #169 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:11pm
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have to say it for some out there

Head supershape....... - No really!
So much happened this decade..I would say not even top 5.
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post #170 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:18pm
Anybody mention a rocker?
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post #171 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:21pm
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Since this decade is almost over, thought it would be fun to bring this back.

Rossi Smash might toss his 3 cents in.
I thought you said THIS decade
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post #172 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:22pm
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Anybody mention a rocker?
I am thinking the Spatula, a ski way before its time. Not a "rocker" but convex. Discuss.
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post #173 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:22pm
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Since this decade is almost over, thought it would be fun to bring this back.

Rossi Smash might toss his 3 cents in.

Damn Philpug, I'm just getting caught up with the LAST decade
I've only got a couple pairs that breech into this one. Ask me again around 2015...should have some input for you then
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post #174 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:23pm
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I thought you said THIS decade

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post #175 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:26pm
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RS,

Please add your thoughts from the previous decades though.
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post #176 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:28pm
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RS,

Please add your thoughts from the previous decades though.

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post #177 of 332
9/4/08 at 5:49pm
1970's

Rossi Strato 102
Dynamic VR17 SL
Rossi ST650
Olin Mk IV Comp
Miller Soft

1980's

Volkl Renntiger R
Dynamic VR27 SL
Rossi 4Sk


For the 90's

Volkl P9
K2 four
Dynastar G9
Volkl Snow Ranger
Volkl Explosiv
Elan SCX
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post #178 of 332
9/4/08 at 7:09pm
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I am thinking the Spatula, a ski way before its time. Not a "rocker" but convex. Discuss.
Nishizawa. Convex AND fat tip.
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post #179 of 332
9/4/08 at 7:18pm
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Originally Posted by comprex View Post
The T50 already had stars on it IIRC ( tromano, weren't you on on a pair last 7S Gathering but one?) and was available here. You might be thinking of the F5 as Euro/JP only?
The 2001-2002 pair I was on were called Volkl T50 ***** 168cm. And they were awesome.
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post #180 of 332
9/4/08 at 8:58pm
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Originally Posted by Philpug View Post
I am thinking the Spatula, a ski way before its time. Not a "rocker" but convex. Discuss.
Without a doubt the most significant innovation of the past 10 years. Or maybe it is simpler to say since the first shaped ski shipped. Nothing else comes close. Look at the number of reverse camber and rockered skis this year. And it is a reasonably safe bet that number will double again next year -- with new designs extending the comfort zone of those skis.

I find it especially interesting that the Spatula was not a simple incremental evolutionary step, but a disruptive leap based on someone getting out of the box and thinking about design basics from the ground up.
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