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post #1 of 28
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Does anyone know if Kicking Horse is planning on expanding thier intermediate terrain? Seems lick a great ski area for experts, but lacking in intermediate stuff.
post #2 of 28
KHMR is deceptive because it is very big. The lower chair services a prety respectable groomed wide open beg/int area.
the gondola for sure has some sacry stuff but has alot of easily skiable stuff that one a sunny day pretty much anybody can get down. Same goes for the upper quad.
post #3 of 28
This is a great opportunity to use the search function as KH has been discussed a bunch before. I can see where KH would be pretty cool on just the right day(s). However, I was underwhelmed when I was there. The lift system, to be charitable, is lame. Services are limted. Grooming is, errrr, lacking - so unless you get lucky and nail a major powder day it leaves a lot to be desired. The hype far exceeds the experience IMO. Of course, I did not get lucky and nail it on a powder day...
post #4 of 28
"The lift system, to be charitable, is lame" i'll give you that, personally i hate the middle section of the mountain where it all seems funnel into little narrow ravines, when i go there i stay up top until i HAVE to go down
"Services are limted." this may have changed with the new bottom lodge/hotel and if you didn't eat at the eagles nest up top shame on you
"I did not get lucky and nail it on a powder day" i'm running about 3 for 4 pow/crud days and 1 for 4 i can't believe i drove past lake louise days
post #5 of 28
My first visit to Kicking Horse was during the excellent 2002 season. In average or worse years, like my second visit last January, KH has good snow only above 6000 ft. In that case the layout forces you to ski down through 2000+ vertical of crap to reload the gondola and get back to the goods.

There was some discussion of this with some Calgary skiers at Great Northern Snowcat last January. Supposedly the KH developers are in it for the real estate profit and have cut corners on the ski development, planning to sell and let someone else do the upgrades. Examples cited:
1) No gondola midstation. Seems obvious with the glaring difference between upper and lower mountain conditions. This year it was more extreme but it's a chronic problem and also results in delayed opening of the mountain. One of these years it will cost them Christmas, as it probably did their opening season 2000-01.
2) It may be heresy on this board but KH is undergroomed. This is mostly a midmountain issue. The Calgary skiers said that old logging tree stumps would need to be removed and they didn't want to spend the money.
3) Snowmaking. The lower mountain averages less than 100 inches per season. Sorry, they need it down there.
4) The new Stairway to Heaven chair is a conventional quad. The Calgary skiers said it's easily convertible to high speed, but they prefer to let the next owner pay for the upgrade.

I'm just passing along local opinion here for what it's worth.
post #6 of 28

Mid-Station announced...for the quad????

I just took a quick scout through the KH website to see if there was any announcement on new terrain or improvements. $20 million for real estate development and $4 million for infrastructure (parking lots, mtn. bike trails). The only upgrade this year for skiing is a mid-station on the catamount quad : serving the lower beginner terrain.

I would have thought that a gondola mid-station, upgrade of the ancient pioneer chair, or expansion into the superbowl or north below feuz bowl would have had higher priorities, but then I'm a skier not a real estate developer.
post #7 of 28
maybe they are students of the intrawest model?
post #8 of 28
I think it is more like they are not students of inltelligent lift design....

Look at their buildout plans. They too are very ambitious with their real estate plans.
post #9 of 28
I agree, great mountain with lame lift system, but there are so few people skiing there that it didn't bother me. Considering where it is there is no way it can survive without massive real estate development. You don't make money selling lift tickets. I don't think they have even finished improving the Trans-Canadian Highway all the way there from Calgary yet, so it is a long drive for weekend skiers that passes right by many other ski areas.

The future looks like it will eventually include an airport in Revelstoke and the development of Mt. McKenzie on the other side of the Pass. Anybody have an update on what's happening with the proposed 6,000+ vertical monster?
post #10 of 28
I've done snowcat skiing at Mt. McKenzie. That 6,000 vertical faces south and on the lower half of it you will want to stay on groomed runs, probably with snowmaking. The cat skiing has 1,800 vertical of north-facing on the backside, and I don't know whether that's part of the proposed development.

Jumbo is a much more exciting potential development from a skiing perspective. Most of its 5,000+ vertical will be real skiing, plus year-round skiing on the glaciers. But I think I read that the some of the developers are the same people that did Kicking Horse.
post #11 of 28
Does this proposed "Jumbo 5000'+ resort" have a name and what town is it near? I'd like to find out more about it.
post #12 of 28
jumbo will be just west of panorama/invermere in BC, as of right now they supposedly have passed all the government crap...if you go to biglines.com and do a search you maight be able to find more info...
post #13 of 28
Here's a link that I found with some information.

http://www.jumboglacierresort.com/outline/site.html

Looks like Invermere will be the closest town. I've been thinking about buying some property in BC. If this project really has legs, perhaps Invermere might be a good location.
post #14 of 28
The maps I've seen of the Mount Mackenzie development showed them going onto the north-facing side of the mountain (taking over all of the cat-skiing terrain there and on the south side). I haven't heard any organized opposition to that development, so it will probably be on track soon. The upgrade to the airport was rumour stage last year, but it would certainly make the resort more viable if they go ahead.

For further info on Revelstoke development:

http://www.skirevelstoke.com/project.htm

Jumbo, on the other hand, may still face a few hurdles: there is active opposition in some communities around the development, there are still some environmental concerns, and perhaps most importantly, the company that holds the lease for heli-skiing on most of the terrain does not want to surrender it.

Jumbo will be located about 30 km up the creek from Panorama. There will have to be some pretty serious upgrading of the forestry road leading there as part of the construction plan, so I don't see the condos coming up for sale in the immediate future.

For further info on Jumbo pro:

http://www.jumboglacierresort.com/

and con:

http://www.jumbowild.com/
post #15 of 28
Thank you gnjantzie. Those links are great.
post #16 of 28

I'm resurrecting this thread as I'm thinking of going this year.  Are all the comments above still relative?

post #17 of 28

In general the comments are still reasonably accurate

Kicking Horse is still much more expert weighted.

In last 10 years there has been more condo and other development down at the at the base and even in Golden.

Now are longer up load lines on weekend mornings despite the additional gondolas added to the main lift.

Super Bowl is now within the control boundary, as is Fuez as far over as Rudie's boundary.

No end of steep chute choices to start your run with, then open bowls, followed by a consistent pitch to base with plenty of mogul runs to choose from,

The lower hill is the beginner area and is served by its own quad and the old 2 seat Pioneer chair (the original Whitetooth lift)

There the snow coverage is never as good as the upper hill.

It is mostly groomers and best for a bit of high speed cruising.  By then you need to rest the legs away     . 

Generally less than a 15 minute line for the enclosed gondolas and then 4400 vertical again. Its an easy hill to get a lot of vertical in.

 

also possible to stay on top and just lap the Stairway to Heaven chair (mostly intermediate terrain) if conditions are bad on the lower hill.

post #18 of 28

Kicking Horse had an electrical problem late yesterday resulting in the gondola requiring evacuation.

If you look for it there is a go pro video showing the heli evacuation of one occupant from one of the higher points, fun ride.

Lift was expected to be back to normal today 

post #19 of 28

That would have been exciting! 

 

Flint Smith designed the manual trolley evac system for Aspen.  They tested it with the president of the skico,  from the highest point at 267 feet prior to opening.

post #20 of 28
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Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post
 

Kicking Horse had an electrical problem late yesterday resulting in the gondola requiring evacuation.

If you look for it there is a go pro video showing the heli evacuation of one occupant from one of the higher points, fun ride.

Lift was expected to be back to normal today 


Found it.  Hanging from the heli, not in the heli.  What fun for the boy!  He went together with the person (father?) with the GoPro.

 

 

 

Edit: article says a power failure fried the safety systems for the gondola, which is why it couldn't be re-started.

http://calgaryherald.com/news/local-news/kicking-horse-gondola-rescue-caught-in-this-dramatic-video

post #21 of 28

really no big deal but surprised not a lot a response: was a great ride for the kid

The thing to note is how packed that gondola was, typical mid week at Kicking Horse   

post #22 of 28
Evacuating the whole Gondi, must have taken forever.
How'd they get down from the top, without skis?
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by SHREDHEAD View Post

Evacuating the whole Gondi, must have taken forever.
How'd they get down from the top, without skis?


Apparently only the top 2 cars required a heli.  I would think the guy who set them up could bring the skis down.  The evacuation took quite a few hours after the decision was made.  The shut down was at 3pm.

 

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/calgary/kicking-horse-evacuation-helicopter-1.3389329

post #24 of 28

Sure nice that it wasn't blowing hard with poor visibility.

post #25 of 28
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Originally Posted by noncrazycanuck View Post
 

really no big deal but surprised not a lot a response: was a great ride for the kid

The thing to note is how packed that gondola was, typical mid week at Kicking Horse   

 

Sorry, I cant tell if this is sarcasm. I may plan a midweek trip soon, so just want to know. Thanks

post #26 of 28
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Originally Posted by agreen View Post
 

 

Sorry, I cant tell if this is sarcasm. I may plan a midweek trip soon, so just want to know. Thanks


75 people on the entire gondola.  Place is empty mid-week.  Go for it.  Good snow year for them.

post #27 of 28
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Originally Posted by Scott43 View Post
 


75 people on the entire gondola.  Place is empty mid-week.


 

Not that unusual at 3pm, this time of year.

post #28 of 28

mid week other than for the first ride up it is almost always walk on

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