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post #481 of 761
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Originally Posted by skiking4 View Post

 

Lift-accessed in Vermont. Nuff said.

Where is that?

post #482 of 761
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Originally Posted by skiking4 View Post

How you finding your data?

I used to be way too dedicated to Google Earth and measuring the steepness of many trails. So much so that I made a site. A wee bit outdated, but sure, take a look: http://ski-degrees.synthasite.com

It pretty much put all the steepest Eastern resorts on a common scale.

Any chance you can chuck Magic and Pico on your site?

post #483 of 761
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Originally Posted by Wraith View Post

Where is that?

I believe that is "the Church'' at Sugarbush

post #484 of 761
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Originally Posted by Wraith View Post

Any chance you can chuck Magic and Pico on your site?

 

I don't know... don't really have that sort of dedication anymore! Maybe though..

post #485 of 761
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Originally Posted by skiking4 View Post

 

Lift-accessed in Vermont. Nuff said.

Yeah buddy!  That there is a line!

post #486 of 761
I grew up skiing the east and moved to snowbird this winter. Although there is nothing nearly as steep in the east as there is out here. I'd say many if those runs back east are difficult in there own right manly do to conditions. Some of those tight steep tree runs iced over are tougher than anything out west. Granted it is not an enjoyable difficulty but difficult non the less
post #487 of 761

In no order, and depending on conditions: Goat, Star at Stowe; The Rumor at Gore and Empire and the Slides at Whiteface-all are steep and can be super hairy at times

post #488 of 761
How about tree runs like Julio or growler at Killington they are pretty steep tight and sketchy at times. Put me on any open faced steep out west over that anyday
post #489 of 761
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Originally Posted by MarcusBrody View Post


If you right off the East side, you're missing some good stuff. Up Your Sleeve in particularly has been skiing awesome.

 

I see the Magic progression very roughly as follows (not counting glades):

 

Level 1

Medium->Up Your Sleeve -> Wizard*->Talisman*->Heart of Magician (Talisman goes above Heart of Magician if it isn't groomed, but it frequently has been the last two years).

 

Level 2

Witch -> Sorcerer -> Broomstick (very condition dependent) -> Black Line (easiest way down) -> Twilight (marked as a glade but pretty open) ->Goniff's Glade (same) -> Slide of Hans

 

Level 3

Black Line -> Green Line -> Black Line section coming in from the traverse off Witch -> Upper Magician (maybe higher as it rarely holds snow) -> Red Line -> Black Magic

 

Black Line is a great trail for trail as you can make it as tough as you want. If we get the little bit of extra snow they're forecasting, I'd imagine it will be open. If I were you, I'd choose harder lines on it until you get comfortable, then maybe go do Twilight and Goniff's. You don't have to be a great glade skier to do those as they are fairly open, just look between obstacles, not at them. You do part of Witch to get to Goniff's. If you stay to the right side of Witch on the second half leading down to Black Line, it's challenging on its own. I'd somehow never skied it until this year as I love the section of black line below the traverse off Witch that I'd always gone around it. Slide of Hans has no trees on the trail, but it isn't super wide and has some weird fall lines at time. I'd do that next.

 

 

*These two were groomed last weekend, so less interesting than the first two, though not bad.

So went back to Magic last weekend (new snow and the snow was great the week before), and managed to do the rest of Witch and Black Line.  Witch was a lot steeper than it looks from the lift (not brutal, but I was skiing poorly for a few runs in the middle) and Black Line is not bad at all minus that one pseudo ledge at the end.  Also, did a few runs on Up Your Sleeve and Vertigo which are really nice trails.  Also Sorcerer, is an awesome run especially when you can zip it at full speed (it was groomed semi recently).  Did Slide of Hans again, which mostly went okay, but has a downed branch across 1/2 of the trail.  Going to Okemo today after that was fun, since the bump runs there I was skiing really well (and felt pretty easy for the most part).  Skiing that stuff really does make you be a better skier. 

post #490 of 761

How bout everyone calms down and realizes that whatever they think is tough actually aint shit.  Mad River Glen Sucks.

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must be nice being superhuman where you can perfectly navigate icy conditions and the woods.

post #492 of 761
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How bout everyone calms down and realizes that whatever they think is tough actually aint shit.  Mad River Glen Sucks.

 

nice first post dork

post #493 of 761

Someone has an axe to grind now don't they?

post #494 of 761
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Originally Posted by like2ski123 View Post

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must be nice being superhuman where you can perfectly navigate icy conditions and the woods.

 

 

it is.

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Originally Posted by mrgsucks69 View Post

How bout everyone calms down and realizes that whatever they think is tough actually aint shit.  Mad River Glen Sucks.

 

 

And what rocks then? Stratton? Vail?

post #495 of 761

you can always get better at something, no skier is perfect, unless they play tic-tac-toe

post #496 of 761
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There is a mountain in NY, Hunter Moutain that has a couple runs worth noting. K-27,Westway, and annapura... i have skied here a lot times and these are good tough runs...i love em. Has anyone ever skied before?

This is K 27 at Hunter.  Pretty steep for the East.  Rarely open.  I skied it several times the other day.  My iPhone GPS said 38 degrees.  Pictures seem to flatten it out.

post #497 of 761
K 27 (lower, the steep part), is often open - almost always by mid-January. Whether you'd want to ski it depends on your tolerance of the day's conditions. I typically don't ski it till spring when it softens unless I'm lucky enough to hit it after a big snowmaking blast.
post #498 of 761

It was great the other day.  Huge big soft bumps!

post #499 of 761
Got a chance to ski the Ridge at Jay last year, there are some pretty crazy 40+ degree lines on there and IMO its harder than face chutes. Looking forward to heading up there again this year, if any of y'all are in the east and haven't ever head up to Jay before, you really need to check it out when ski season starts, I've skied pretty much every decent mountain in the northeast US and the snow and skiing is by far the best at Jay. You can go up there on any given weekend from Jan-Mar and there's a very good chance that there will be powder.
post #500 of 761
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Got a chance to ski the Ridge at Jay last year, there are some pretty crazy 40+ degree lines on there and IMO its harder than face chutes. Looking forward to heading up there again this year, if any of y'all are in the east and haven't ever head up to Jay before, you really need to check it out when ski season starts, I've skied pretty much every decent mountain in the northeast US and the snow and skiing is by far the best at Jay. You can go up there on any given weekend from Jan-Mar and there's a very good chance that there will be powder.

 

Definitely a level up from the face chutes and a lot of fun.  Season before last they got hit with 48 inches in a little over 2 days end of Feb beg of March.  Tram was on wind hold the whole time until after the storm passed, but Meathead got up there early in the morning to do their Jay Peak seg.  I was among the first group of people on the ridge once the tram came off hold.  The wind scoured some of the burliest lines, but I was able to find one that filled in nicely and had 4-5 turns of grin inducing steep.  Could've used a snorkel for the runout though.  Measures up with some of the best runs I've had anywhere, east or west.


Edited by Hoss - 10/11/13 at 6:35am
post #501 of 761
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Definitely a level up from the face chutes and a lot of fun.  Season before last they got hit with 48 inches in a little over 2 days end of Feb beg of March.  Tram was on wind hold the whole time until after the storm passed, but Meathead got up there early in the morning to do their Jay Peak seg.  I was among the first group of people on the ridge once the tram came off hold.  The wind scoured some of the burliest lines, but I was able to find one that filled in nicely and had 4-5 turns of grin inducing steep.  Could've used a snorkel for the runout though.  Measures up with some of the best runs I've had anywhere, east or west.


I was up at Jay a couple of weeks ago, the day up until today when they had the most trails open all year. The first time I hit the Ridge was on that -20 day I think it was January 3rd, the snow was actually nice in the morning. They got maybe 3 inches of pow on the base and maybe 5 or 6 at the top. The rocky chutes on the Ridge nearest to the tram didn't have much snow on them. I hiked for maybe 5 or so minutes and I found a nice line with not to ridiculous of a drop to hit and it was really nice. The line I skied was probably one of the easier lines on the Ridge but it's still much harder than the Face Chutes. I think we've found a new hardest trail in the east. You can pick pretty much any line on it and it involves a 10-20 foot drop + a 50 degree slope. Jay doesn't even classify it as backcountry, its technically a glade, but they just don't mark it on the trail map for legal purposes, plus its probably a pain for ski patrol to have to sweep it a couple of times per day.

post #502 of 761
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I was up at Jay a couple of weeks ago, the day up until today when they had the most trails open all year. The first time I hit the Ridge was on that -20 day I think it was January 3rd, the snow was actually nice in the morning. They got maybe 3 inches of pow on the base and maybe 5 or 6 at the top. The rocky chutes on the Ridge nearest to the tram didn't have much snow on them. I hiked for maybe 5 or so minutes and I found a nice line with not to ridiculous of a drop to hit and it was really nice. The line I skied was probably one of the easier lines on the Ridge but it's still much harder than the Face Chutes. I think we've found a new hardest trail in the east. You can pick pretty much any line on it and it involves a 10-20 foot drop + a 50 degree slope. Jay doesn't even classify it as backcountry, its technically a glade, but they just don't mark it on the trail map for legal purposes, plus its probably a pain for ski patrol to have to sweep it a couple of times per day.

Not that I doubt this at all, but I'd love to see a couple pics of this insane terrain at Jay. I rarely get up that far and haven't been there in many years, so I'm not sure what this terrain looks like. Somebody must have a few pics of the alleged steepest terrain in the east and I'd love to see them. Anybody??
post #503 of 761
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Not that I doubt this at all, but I'd love to see a couple pics of this insane terrain at Jay. I rarely get up that far and haven't been there in many years, so I'm not sure what this terrain looks like. Somebody must have a few pics of the alleged steepest terrain in the east and I'd love to see them. Anybody??


The bowl at the bottom is Green Beret. Many people consider it to be in the top 10 or 15 hardest trails in the east. It's overall slope is probably in the mid-upper 30's. (degrees) The run below the tram house at the summit is Face Chutes which also people consider to be in the top 5 hardest runs in the east. Its got fall lines galore and just about every hazard imaginable. Green Beret is more or less Face Chutes minus the trees and the fall lines. Everything inbetween Green Beret and Face Chutes is the Ridge. It's pretty much Face Chutes on steroids and throw in a 15-30 foot drop just to enter the trail, depending on the line that you pick and the conditions. The trees to the skiiers left of Face Chutes (not in the picture) are Tuckerman's Chute, its just about a notch below Face Chutes and its considered to be a top 10 or 15 hardest trail in the east. The trees to the skier's right of Green Beret is Valhalla, its my favorite run at Jay by far. I'm not pointing out how hard it is. I think Staircase, Everglade, Deliverance, Vertigo and Canyonland are all harder. Its just a really damn awesome glade and there's always sick powder in it. It's not exactly an easy glade either.

 

So there's your guide to expert skiing at Jay Peak! :D

post #504 of 761

Tuckerman's Ravine, nuff said!

post #505 of 761
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Tuckerman's Ravine, nuff said!


If you want to talk about something that requires a skin or a hike, Katahdin beats Tuckerman's in difficulty, hands down.

post #506 of 761

True Katadhin is super-bad, but in my mind (perhaps my mind only!) not really an established set of ski-runs in the way the whole Tuckerman's area is, which for many years even had a sanctioned race.  My hats off to you if you hit Katahdin with any regularity, by over 50 year old knees and brain just ain't up for that anymore, I will stick to hiking the knife edge in shorts and a tee-shirt!

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Here's another photo at Jay.  Those chutes are steep and fun when open.

 

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post #508 of 761

Keep this up, and I am gonna have to drop what I am doing, and drive to Jay!  Is this a recent photo, from today??

post #509 of 761

This is my first post but after reading about these most difficult trails in the east, Id have to throw in my vote for the never ending Juggernaut in Killington, BECAUSE, if you can ski the entire 10 miles or so without stopping, you are 5x the man of someone who is willing to jump off a 15 foot cliff into a bed of powder or cut up a bunch of bumps down the beast of the east...im just saying you gotta try it once, my advice is to pack a 6'er

post #510 of 761
Yep, I skied Juggernaut back when it was new. I had no idea!
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