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post #91 of 284
I'm sorry if you don't like fat skis, AtomicMan. Are they too heavy for you to carry?
post #92 of 284
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
I'm sorry if you don't like fat skis, AtomicMan. Are they too heavy for you to carry?
Dunnboy,

I have fatskis, I just use them for the purpose they were intended!
post #93 of 284
Bs"D

Atomicman, its not that you don't have what to say - you do and often are right - but you are just so abrasive (this itself is somewhat diplomatic).

Well, anyway lets' ask you something that we can benefit from:
I see that besides all of your very good Atomics, you also have:
165 04/05 Wc Stockli Laser SL
165 03/04 Elan WC SLX
Two very fine Slalom race skis indeed. [I am in the market for a new SL , and these are two on my maybe list together with Head iSL RD (or iSL Chip for more versatility if I deside to go the more relaxing way) . But, you can't demo everything, some of these impossible to demo, so]:
Which do you prefer between them?
They are both wood core (Laser Sl actually has iso core - how is it?), sandwich, carving technicians. But, which would you say is more usable for freeskiing (albeit aggressive freeskiing on hardpack-ice)? Which one would have a greater range of turn shape? As great as I'm sure they are for a couple of runs, do they tire you out? How is that wide tail on the SLX on steeps? etc.
post #94 of 284
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Originally Posted by RadRab
Bs"D

Atomicman, its not that you don't have what to say - you do and often are right - but you are just so abrasive (this itself is somewhat diplomatic).

Well, anyway lets' ask you something that we can benefit from:
I see that besides all of your very good Atomics, you also have:
165 04/05 Wc Stockli Laser SL
165 03/04 Elan WC SLX
Two very fine Slalom race skis indeed. [I am in the market for a new SL , and these are two on my maybe list together with Head iSL RD (or iSL Chip for more versatility if I deside to go the more relaxing way) . But, you can't demo everything, some of these impossible to demo, so]:
Which do you prefer between them?
They are both wood core, sandwich, carving technicians. But, which would you say is more usable for freeskiing (albeit aggressive freeskiing on hardpack-ice)? Which one would have a greater range of turn shape? As great as I'm sure they are for a couple of runs, do they tire you out? How is that wide tail on the SLX on steeps? etc.
Thanks for your comments. You should understand I am intentionally being a complete pain in the ass and am well aware of it, in response to Dunn's ridiculous, caustic comments. Also I think some of my comments are just damn funny!

I have not yet skiied on the Elans yet. I must admit, the SL11's both the race stock and retail are probably my favorite slaloms.

it hs been awhile since I skiied my Stockli's. Nice ski but not as powerful & does not to seem to have the SL11 edge grip.

My style has always been more slslom oriented so no, they don't tire me out. with that said the Stockli's & atomics are versatile enough to make some pretty big GS turns, too!

My experience with larger tailed skis is that they have a more limited range of turn shapes.
Good Luck
post #95 of 284
Bs"D

Ok, thanks for the reply.
post #96 of 284

As long as everyone is wipping it out!

204 Stockli Stormriders (orig. model with 74 mm waist) – go real fast

195 K2 X-Screams - Rock Skis

190 K2 AK Launchers (90 mm waist) - Powder

184 Atomic REX (84 mm waist) - All-round and crud

184 Soloman Crossmax 9s (66 mm waist)– Hard snow and mogals


191 Atomic 10EX mounted AT – Preferred backcountry tool

190 K2 Workstinx mounted tele - Powder

188 K2 Superstinx mounted tele – All-round
post #97 of 284
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Originally Posted by mudfoot
204 Stockli Stormriders (orig. model with 74 mm waist) – go real fast

195 K2 X-Screams - Rock Skis

190 K2 AK Launchers (90 mm waist) - Powder

184 Atomic REX (84 mm waist) - All-round and crud

184 Soloman Crossmax 9s (66 mm waist)– Hard snow and mogals


191 Atomic 10EX mounted AT – Preferred backcountry tool

190 K2 Workstinx mounted tele - Powder

188 K2 Superstinx mounted tele – All-round
Holy Long Skis Batman
post #98 of 284

....

05' HEAD iXRC 1100 SRFII(163)
05' Elan M666(168)/Fritschi Freerides
post #99 of 284
Scalce:

I'm 6'5 and 215 lbs, so I figure I should usually be on the longest skis they make in whatever model I ski. I also have the luxury of skiing out west in softer and usually deeper snow and wider runs than back east.

As I've stated in other threads, I don't understand guys my size on 175s, but to each his own. I grew up in the era of "short skis suck" bumber stickers and spent at least 500 days on 210s or 207s. Length isn't an ego thing with me, I just need to feel the ski flex. For me it's part of the deal.

I have tried short skis and I just feel like I am just chopping at the snow and unable to really relax during the turn. The sweetest turn is one where I feel like the ski is bent around me in a semi-circle. The carved turn is a senuous thing. Short skis may be sports cars, but I'd rather be throwing big smoothies on my caddies. It works out well because there are always good deals at the end of the season on all the long boards they couldn't sell. So all you guys keep buying those short skis.
post #100 of 284
Elan S12 Fusion-168
Head Monster 77chip-170
Dynastar SkiCross 66 (rock skis)-170
post #101 of 284
I know your a big guy Mud.

Just playing with ya

I am 5'7" 165-170 so my longest ski is a 171 and shortest is a 162.
post #102 of 284
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Originally Posted by Scalce
I know your a big guy Mud.

Just playing with ya

I am 5'7" 165-170 so my longest ski is a 171 and shortest is a 162.
...and you're on the east coast.
post #103 of 284
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Does someone who has skiied a total of 43 days know what "holding a good edge is"?

NO CREDIBILITY! Keep it in the bag!

If someone wants a hundred pair of skis and enjoys skiing on all of them and paid over double retail for them, who the hell cares!!

Are they enjoying the sport and having fun?

Quiver envy I say, quiver envy!
Wow you are angry you ignored 90% of my post where I was trying to keep the peace and show a few different sides of the argument and then insulted my opinion. Where did you get the whole holding an edge thing from? Anyways if you want to spend 900 bucks for a ski sweet but don't be one of those people who spends 900 bucks brags about his skis and then never ski's on them. Thats all I mean. Geez my post was supposed to be lighthearted. Yours was plain uncalled for.Very mature
post #104 of 284
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Originally Posted by Scalce

I am 5'7" 165-170 so my longest ski is a 171 and shortest is a 162.
Where I live I think you would add 10cm to both ends to hit the norm for your size. No offense intended, but my wife skis Volant 168 Chubbs for powder and 171 Supercarves in bumps, and she's 5'5" and less than 120 lbs. She is also usually leading the pack down the steep bumps at Telluride on the 171s, so I am mystified by the 200 lbs. guys on this site that claim similar length skis are the right ones for them. I guess the moral is that length is relative to ability, so eveyone shouldn't believe the hype or their short skis may get in the way of their ability.
post #105 of 284
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Originally Posted by acsguitar
Wow you are angry you ignored 90% of my post where I was trying to keep the peace and show a few different sides of the argument and then insulted my opinion. Where did you get the whole holding an edge thing from? Anyways if you want to spend 900 bucks for a ski sweet but don't be one of those people who spends 900 bucks brags about his skis and then never ski's on them. Thats all I mean. Geez my post was supposed to be lighthearted. Yours was plain uncalled for.Very mature
Not Angry?
post #106 of 284
Quote:
Originally Posted by mudfoot
Where I live I think you would add 10cm to both ends to hit the norm for your size. No offense intended, but my wife skis Volant 168 Chubbs for powder and 171 Supercarves in bumps, and she's 5'5" and less than 120 lbs. She is also usually leading the pack down the steep bumps at Telluride on the 171s, so I am mystified by the 200 lbs. guys on this site that claim similar length skis are the right ones for them. I guess the moral is that length is relative to ability, so eveyone shouldn't believe the hype or their short skis may get in the way of their ability.
I obviuosly know that some East coast skiers use shorter skis.

I am sure if I went out West I would need longer sticks which is why I was making facetious remarks.

I am not positive that ability always plays a role in the length of the skis though. I think preference, location, and intended use are more deciding factors.
post #107 of 284
AtomicMan is just making up for the lack of skiing skills by owning more pairs of skis. He probably drives a Porsche or BMW to make up for other things as well. Am I right?
post #108 of 284
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
AtomicMan is just making up for the lack of skiing skills by owning more pairs of skis. He probably drives a Porsche or BMW to make up for other things as well. Am I right?
Yeah, that's it! No skiing skills, yeah that's the ticket.

You're re close on the car, but no cigar, Dunnbar!
post #109 of 284
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Originally Posted by acsguitar
Where did you get the whole holding an edge thing from?
You said your volants hold a good edge.

I am saying someone who has only skiied 43 days in their entire life wouldn't know good from bad edge hold (seeing how you have really never skiied on a ski with "GOOD" edge hold) if it came up & smacked you up side of the head!
post #110 of 284
This thread's getting funnier and funnier.
You guys should get laid more often
post #111 of 284
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Originally Posted by philippeR
This thread's getting funnier and funnier.
You guys should get laid more often
Glad you are enjoying the humor!!!!
post #112 of 284
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Glad you are enjoying the humor!!!!
Count me in ...
post #113 of 284
Quote:
Originally Posted by Atomicman
You said your voalnts hold a good edge.

I am saying someone who has only skiied 43 days in their entire life wouldn't know good from bad edge hold (seeing how you have really never skiied on a ski with "GOOD" edge hold) if it came up & smacked you up side of the head!
This is too funny. You dont' think 43 days on the hill is enough? What constitutes enough, 50+? 100+? You are a friggin moron.
post #114 of 284
Quote:
Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
This is too funny. You dont' think 43 days on the hill is enough? What constitutes enough, 50+? 100+? You are a friggin moron.
Do you really think that a newbie skier is angulating more then banking turns at the early part of the learning cycle?

Would you want someone who sidelips turns giving you advice on a slalom ski that has ridiculous edgehold?

I'm not harping on ASC because maybe he is a great skier that has advanced faster then most people. I would say most people that have only skied for two seasons are still pivoting mostly under the boot and on the tail versus a solid carved turn.

There is a reason why ski tests do not have beginners rating SL11s or SLXs.
post #115 of 284
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
If you are "CARVING" on groomers on a 95mm waisted ski, I'll eat my slaloms!

WHAT IS REALITY?
I hope you're hungry.
post #116 of 284
He never said anything about slalom skis... he was talking about his Volant Chubbs. Those are hardly slalom skis.

And Zion- better watch out, AtomicMan knows all.
post #117 of 284
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Originally Posted by Harry Dunn
This is too funny. You dont' think 43 days on the hill is enough? What constitutes enough, 50+? 100+? You are a friggin moron.
Personal issues aside, I honestly do not think that a skier with 43 days of experience would be able to judge edge hold of a ski (other than determine if the ski edge is sharp or not). In fact, most skiers with many more days and years behind them, cannot tell the difference between a recreational ski or a race ski, not to mention more subtle characteristics like rebound, dampness, tail/tip stiffness.
post #118 of 284
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Originally Posted by mudfoot
Where I live I think you would add 10cm to both ends to hit the norm for your size. No offense intended, but my wife skis Volant 168 Chubbs for powder and 171 Supercarves in bumps, and she's 5'5" and less than 120 lbs. She is also usually leading the pack down the steep bumps at Telluride on the 171s, so I am mystified by the 200 lbs. guys on this site that claim similar length skis are the right ones for them. I guess the moral is that length is relative to ability, so eveyone shouldn't believe the hype or their short skis may get in the way of their ability.
Well since part of the name of this thread is "let's argue" I'll chime in with this: the Superkarve is a pretty soft ski longitudinally (if it's a Vertex Super it's downright buttery), and was designed when skis tended to be skied a wee bit longer.
post #119 of 284
Some of you guys could open a store. Me - 6' 165, level 9:

168 Volkl 6*
177 Volkl Mantras
180 Volkl Snow Rangers (gotta get rid of them, but they're ooold friends)
177 Volkl Karmas (Mantras mean they have to go)
176 Volkl Gotamas (original first year, wood sides, unmounted. Saving for the Buddha.)
post #120 of 284
Nice quiver, Beyond. This year, I am selling my 6*, as I have no use for them. That leaves AX4 (178), Exploders (180) and I hope to score Gotama (183). If I don't, I will be perfectly happy with my two ski quiver.
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