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What's the best bindings for off piste aggresive skiers?

Help Please

p.s. I've been looking at the Marker Comp. 14 Free.
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Salomon
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No...Marker
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Wait...Look
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Maybe...Atomic
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possibly...Tyrolia
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Heck...They are all good.
post #8 of 46
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Originally Posted by heliski

p.s. I've been looking at the Marker Comp. 14 Free.
Free bindings are the BEST!!!!
post #9 of 46
Phil,

You forgot Cubco

Barrettscv
post #10 of 46
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Originally Posted by barrettscv
Phil,

You forgot Cubco

Barrettscv
And..

Spademan
Moog
Americana
Geze
Head
Nordica
Besser
Burt
ect...
post #11 of 46
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Originally Posted by heliski
I've been looking at the Marker Comp. 14 Free.
No religious wars - just a fact. For off-piste a major disadvantage with the Marker heel is that it cannot be operated manually. This means that the only way to put the skis back on is to have a stable platform, stand up, and hope you can stamp down on the ski to get it back on.

I know that Look and Tyrolia heel pieces can be manually "cocked" to put them back on without needing to stand up over a stable platform. I'm not sure about Salomon since I haven't had any in over 20 years.
post #12 of 46
The ones on your skis!
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Originally Posted by Noodler
No religious wars - just a fact. For off-piste a major disadvantage with the Marker heel is that it cannot be operated manually. This means that the only way to put the skis back on is to have a stable platform, stand up, and hope you can stamp down on the ski to get it back on.
Actually, all modern Markers have a "soft entry" mode for getting back into them in soft snow. You hold the heel level down while stepping it. It reduces step-in force to much less than normal force required to close the binding.
post #14 of 46
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Originally Posted by Atomicman
The ones on your skis!
Agreed. No "best" binding. However, I am convinced that different bindings work better for some skiers (and techniques) than others. They also have very obvious release characteristic differences that effect this.

I always liked turntables. But, now there are none left as far as I know (except the Lines, which I have not skied). I can definitely tell the difference when going through anti-shock or release on a turntable v. non-turntable binding. I can also tell the difference between the diagonal heel of a Tyrolia and the other heels out there. FWIW...
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Originally Posted by heliski
What's the best bindings for off piste aggresive skiers?

Help Please

p.s. I've been looking at the Marker Comp. 14 Free.
You are on the wrong track. If you don't know the correct answer to this, you have a ways to go in your aggression level. No offense.

However, the correct (short) answer is:

Look p18
Salomon S916

Or any variation of such race stock Look or Salomon bindings made in the last 15 years.
post #16 of 46
Ok,

I'm dating myself here..

Does anyone remember the worst binding ever made. It came out in 1973 and had a fixed retention pin : where most bindings have an anti-friction pad. Also, the toe had no retention, no springs (I'm not joking). The heal piece had both vertical and horizontal release.

Any names?

And, no jokes about "dating myself".

Barrettscv
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Not Markers.
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Originally Posted by ssh
Agreed. No "best" binding. However, I am convinced that different bindings work better for some skiers (and techniques) than others. They also have very obvious release characteristic differences that effect this.

I always liked turntables. But, now there are none left as far as I know (except the Lines, which I have not skied). I can definitely tell the difference when going through anti-shock or release on a turntable v. non-turntable binding. I can also tell the difference between the diagonal heel of a Tyrolia and the other heels out there. FWIW...
steve,I know, I just couldn't take another binding thread seriously. Was waiting for the other ski to drop so to speak on Atomic bashing.

Thanks for bringing me back down to earth!

CW
post #19 of 46
"all modern Markers have a "soft entry" mode for getting back into them in soft snow."
right, push down on something that you are trying to step into while standing up and wait for it, market it as an advantage in soft/deep snow....
post #20 of 46
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Originally Posted by waxman
"all modern Markers have a "soft entry" mode for getting back into them in soft snow."
right, push down on something that you are trying to step into while standing up and wait for it, market it as an advantage in soft/deep snow....
Well, FWIW, I have used it, and it worked fine. Actually, much easier than the Looks that I skied for years, even though I was able to manually close them.

YMMV, but your cynicism is a bit much.
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Originally Posted by barrettscv
Ok,

I'm dating myself here..

Does anyone remember the worst binding ever made. It came out in 1973 and had a fixed retention pin : where most bindings have an anti-friction pad. Also, the toe had no retention, no springs (I'm not joking). The heal piece had both vertical and horizontal release.

Any names?

And, no jokes about "dating myself".

Barrettscv
I usually know these things, but am drawing a blank.
post #22 of 46
Was that Spademan?
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Originally Posted by Jim S
Not Markers.



yes, definitely don't do what this poor guy did....... ;-)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v1...y05posters.jpg
post #24 of 46
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Originally Posted by ssh
Actually, all modern Markers have a "soft entry" mode for getting back into them in soft snow. You hold the heel level down while stepping it. It reduces step-in force to much less than normal force required to close the binding.
Hmmm, that's news to me. I checked the Marker web site and couldn't find any mention of it, but I did find it advertised at many sites that sell Markers. I'm going home for lunch right now to check out my Markers and see exactly how this is supposed to work.
post #25 of 46
So the Marker "soft entry" mode does work as advertised. It worked on my new Comp 14.0 and my 3 seasons old 1300 Titaniums. You depress the heel cock about a half inch and it dramatically reduces the amount of step-in pressure required.

Unfortunately this doesn't add up to a workable method to get your skis on without standing up though. I can recall a few situations from last season where I was stuck in deep snow without a ski and no good way to get a platform under me. The ability to be able to "pull" a ski back on without standing up (using a Look or a Tyrolia) is invaluable to me.

Of course I guess I could learn not to fall, too. That's another option.
post #26 of 46
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Originally Posted by Cirquerider
Was that Spademan?
I googled Spademan and got another terrible binding for the 70's.

"The Spademan binding had an interesting history. First developed by Dr Spademan in Colorado to reduce ankle injuries by having the binding rotate below the vertical axis of the leg rather than the heel/toe method. It looked great for awhile until the ankle injuries were replaced by knee injuries after which the binding lost favor/business." Photogf128

For pics of the toe-less Spademan, open the link. This site features a full range of awfull stuff from the past. More bad product than I care to think about.

http://www.robertsski.com/webpgss/mus.htm

I am still trying to remember the worst binding of all time...

I will try to dig up the name, I think its buried in my repressed memories.

Barrettscv
post #27 of 46
Noodler, totally get it. I have not been in the kind of deep that required this kind of maneuver, but can imagine it. As with most things, it really depends on requirements. I have had more opportunity to get skis off when they are above my head than to put them on like this!
post #28 of 46
ssh - If you know Winter Park then you might be familiar with Hole-in-the-Wall (a double black ass kicker). Towards the end of last season when we got about 20" I got all "full of myself" and figured if there was any day to do it that would be it. I did alright for the first part and was even earning some style points, but ended up losing it and was engulfed by a tree well. I had my Stormrider DPs for that day with Look bindings on them. I don't know how I would've gotten out without them - probably would've had to wait for the snow to melt.
post #29 of 46
I'm hoping that someone with Salomon bindings will pass along info on if they can be used to get your skis back on without standing up. Are there any other bindings that also have this capability? How about VIST?
post #30 of 46
I don't think you have been able to do that with Salomon since the old 505 and 555 versions where you could open the heel lever manually
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