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post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
My boots are never right

I posted the quote below about six months ago. Before I go out and buy some Atomic Widebodies, as this seems to be the general consensus, has anyone got any last words of advice or new ideas?

Cheers

Jack

Old Quote................


I've had a pair of Salomon X-waves for three years now and had them altered (outer) new linings (thermofit) messed around with heel insert, taken footbeds out/in/ new ones and still can't get the right fit. I'm told the Salomon's are still the best for my feet.

My feet are wide as are my calves but my ankles are thin.

The problem I have is heel lift and too much space in the top of the boot, resulting in a lack of control transerring to the ski. Resulting in me being mad and lacking confidence when off piste.

This is illiminated if I wind the boots up. The only problem then is massive pain in my arches and calves as they are too tight.

I've had them profesionally altered at resorts but the problem still rears it's bloody head!

In a measure of desparation I thought I'd board to avoid the discomfort but it's nowhere near as good and my heels still lift!

Can anyone offer any good advice as to the way forward?
post #2 of 21
Jack, I don't know what part of the country you are in, but have you considered professional help?

Seriously, a competent bootfitter would be a great investment compared to buying another boot that doesn't work. Rather than guess which boot should work for you, why not just go where the service is turned up a notch compared to an ordinary retailer. The eventual price for fitting and advise is not much more, and can save a lot.
post #3 of 21

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Ditto C's thoughts...
Salomon heels are pretty big...and the liners pack out a bit(as usual), but as mentioned..sizing is primo.

Wide fore/narrow heel area:
Some of the Atomics, Nordicas, Tecnica Diablos(forward lean+)
post #4 of 21
Sounds like your boots are just too big. i have to go down a whole shell size from a 27 down to a 26 in the X-Wave.

alos could be too much forward lean and ramp so that the back of the boot hits your wide calf first and does not let your heel get all the way back in the heel pocket.
post #5 of 21
Jack, I echo the others... Where do you live/ski? With some additional information, we may be able to point you to a boot expert that could dial you in like you can't believe.

I have been in over a dozen ski boots in my ski "career". The ones I'm in now are the first that were "professional fit and balanced". They are reasonably comfortable, for sure, but more than that, I ski better in them.

Frankly, I don't think that there are many truly competent boot balancing experts in the world. You'd be better off, though, getting their advice and paying for it than struggling for years trying to basically do it yourself. Take it from a guy who did that for years and really regrets it. I almost stopped skiing as a result.

...and the last pair that almost got me to quit? Solomons...
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 

update

Cheers steve. I.m in manchester,england. m in hospital 11 hour after back op. Just been told i can play rugby again. not even asking about skiing as there is no way im giving that up. oredout of my tree so any further help would be appreciated. Cheers
post #7 of 21
I feel your pain.

My Crossmax's are just beginning to feel right in the forefoot. I had them stretched about half a dozen times on the little toe side to accomodate my wide ball. My feet still fell asleep the last time I wore them with socks. I'm noticing that my heels are beginning to have a little too much room.

My last boots did not let my heel move. They were Koflach Comp911s, two sizes too small, with custom foamed triple (if memory serves) stacked liners (The boot fitter used three times the amount of foam needed for the liner). The liner split at some of the seems and the boots adjustment features were rendered non-operational, but the grip these boots had on my feet was phenomenal. The control I felt with these boots was amazing. Too bad I never got back to him for further bootfitting; rumour was he got himself messed up with a cocain habbit and by the time I got back to his store it (and the rest of his life I suppose) had gone belly up. When I finally got tired of only being able to ski pain-free for 30 minutes at a time I tried to get them worked on, only to ruin them.

Point is you might try getting custom foam liners and really overfill them in a tight tight boot, ski five or six days, a couple of hours at a time, and then get the shells stretched to fit. Don't forget that last part!

That's my plan for next time. In the mean time what will I be able to do for the loose heels I foresee in the not too distant future?
post #8 of 21
Less liner is the answer. get a plug with a very thin liner and have the shell ground not stretched to fit.

Although, how the boot effects your stance espicially how upright the cuff nis is ultimately important to get your heel in the heel pocket before your calf hists the back of the boot and not so much forward lean that you are hanging off the fron of your boot with your knees bent too much.
post #9 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by jack hallam
Cheers steve. I.m in manchester,england. m in hospital 11 hour after back op. Just been told i can play rugby again. not even asking about skiing as there is no way im giving that up. oredout of my tree so any further help would be appreciated. Cheers
PM WTFH if he doesn't drop in here. He can help you with fitters on that side of the pond. Where will you spend you week this year? You may want to wait until you go and then get fit well...
post #10 of 21
Thread Starter 

Too many drugs

thanks steve. i meant to say "can't play rugby again" the morphine spaced me out a bit, maybe could do with some in my boots! I'll ask WTFH about a fitter. I had used George at McCoo's in Whistler but will be in Verbier and then Chamonix later in the year.
post #11 of 21

Addition

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Originally Posted by Atomicman
Sounds like your boots are just too big. i have to go down a whole shell size from a 27 down to a 26 in the X-Wave.

alos could be too much forward lean and ramp so that the back of the boot hits your wide calf first and does not let your heel get all the way back in the heel pocket.
I could see if the boot was way to big this would be a problem.

Wouldnt forward lean seat your hell better ? When you lean forward and flex the boot in a skiing position in a properly fit boot your foot slides back a hair bringing the toes from just touching the liner to a hair bit more room, correct?
When you lean forward your heel is behind your calf. At least mine is.
post #12 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by huckingfellers
I could see if the boot was way to big this would be a problem.

Wouldnt forward lean seat your hell better ? When you lean forward and flex the boot in a skiing position in a properly fit boot your foot slides back a hair bringing the toes from just touching the liner to a hair bit more room, correct?
When you lean forward your heel is behind your calf. At least mine is.
what you are missing is that the upper cuff of the boot when too far forward hits the calf first and does not allow the heel to seat properly when you stand more erect in a balnced posotin not hanging off the fron of the boot with excessive knee bend.

Yes in your scenario you are correct but is that the position you want to forced to ski in?

With too much forward lean when you straighten your knees to where your stance is proper and balanced
your calf hits the back of the boot first not allowing your heel to be in the heel pocket. particularly when you have a wide calf as he explained.
post #13 of 21
Jack, Profeet in London seemed to be acknowledged as the UK's best. I've had two pairs of boots mis-fitted (by EB's and S&R) & then went to Profeet. They were excellent & their stance/pressure analysis gear is really eye opening. I did a couple of Warren Smith Academy course last year in Saas Fee & Verbier & Warren only recommends Profeet.
http://www.profeet.co.uk

Give Hamish (the Manager) a call whilst your laid up & have a chat. Hamish also goes out to Verbier regularly over the winter to do 'boot sessions' for Warren's classes so you can also get on slope tweaks done if necessary.

Are you familiar with the snowHeads forum in the UK? http://www.snowheads.co.uk
Do a search on Profeet their & you'll get plenty of testimonials.

Best wishes for a speedy recovery.
post #14 of 21
Thread Starter 
Cheers fella


I'll give him a ring. Home now and back giving plenty of trouble but morphine tablets are the business. Anyone wanting any should just go to hospital and have a disc removed!

Thanks again for all the advice this is the best site I've seen for this kind of help.
post #15 of 21
I had the same problem with my wide feet and narrow heel too. you just have to try and try and not be pressure into buying a pair before you're 100% sure. Learn how to just leave a store no matter how nice they are to you and how much time they spent on helping you if it doesn't feel 100% look some where else. Also if the boot feel perfectly comfortable as in not even a little tight over all(but no sharp pressure area) it will feel loss after few days of use.....Well thats all I can say but I feel your pain and frustration
post #16 of 21
Thread Starter 
Which boots did you end up buying?


As I said before, the Atomic Widebodies seem to be the the most widely recomended.
post #17 of 21
Glad to here you're on the mend.

The Xwave boot will not be a good choice for a wide forefoot and narrow heel as the heel pocket of the shell is pretty big. The Atomic B last is still a good bet to look into. The help of a good bootfitter would certainly help but you might consider looking into this while vacationing in a more alpine region. As scalce mentioned being in the right shell size will also be important in any boot.
post #18 of 21
Jack I had the same problem you do. Tried everything under the sun, Solomon, atomic,Rossi, Techni,all. The Nordica Beast fit my foot right yet killed my big calfs. Then I tried the Nordica Speed Machine 12/14 I'm I Love, Try them. Try to find one of the bootfitters recomended by ski mag they have a list there.

Good luck!
post #19 of 21
Jack,

I have a wide forefoot and high arch. The best fitting boot I have ever worn is the Nordica Beast. I believe this year's Hot Rod is very similar to The Beast. Good Luck!
jv
post #20 of 21
Jack, as other have said Profeet in London are very good.

If you don't feel like trekking all the way down to London & don't mind nipping down to the Midlands, Lockwoods in Leamington Spa are extremely good.
www.lockwoods.com

I live in London & still go up to them to get boots done.
I have a spanking new pair of Nordica Hot Rods with Zipfits in them & now have to wait the 2 months for snow ...
post #21 of 21
Thread Starter 

No Skiing Blues

Wish I could go this season!


Just had a disc out of my back and my planned trips to Verbier and Chamonix in Jan and March are looking doubtful.

Haven't missed out on a year since I was 21 (35 now) and the thought of it is not a happy one!
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