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Stockli vs Volkl Supersports

post #1 of 22
Thread Starter 
Just coming off a wild ride across the pond, but Ive already got my sights set on this winter. Just wondering if any of you have ever tried to compare Volkl and Stockli skis. Ive skied on the supersport 5 stars last year and absolutely loved them. However, from many conversations with europeans (especially the swiss) Ive heard Stockli is THE brand if you can find it. Unfortunately Im not in an area where I can demo any stocklis so I have no idea how they would stack up against the supersports. More specifically, I believe Im looking at comparing the Laser SLs (correct me if Im wrong) to the supersport 5 stars. I love the 5 star's ability to make those quick snappy turns, yet remain very stable at high speed. Would the laser SL be similar? Is there another stockli ski I should consider? Another reason I like the stocklis is for the simple reason of being different. You never see those on the mountain. If someone has skied either the Laser SL or SC as well as the supersport series, please let me know how they compare. Thanks a bunch kids.
post #2 of 22
The laser SL will absolutely smoke the 5 star. the 5 star doesnt stand a chance on groomed snow against a race stock Sl ski. There is no real comparison. I think maybe the Raver XP is a closer comparison but i think even then the stockli is going to out shine the volkl in every way accept maybe mogul performance.
post #3 of 22
agree, Stockli are like ferraris. I actually have the Yellow Raver XPs, but they are a bit powerful for me. They just want to carve at high speed...not sure if they'd be suited to slalom type skiing, as they don't want to break out of their carve. They're heavy, too! Exhilerating, but a bit scary...i got the longest size and suspect I'm a bit small for them.

I also have the Easy Rider, a softish fat ski, and these things perform like the top-of-the-range midfats in other brands. Nearest comparison is probably the K2 Axis Pro of a couple of years ago. Yet the Easy Rider is a soft version of the stormrider!

The Stockli SL is one of the most popular Stocklis here, especially with instructors. They have a lot of attitude, but if you ski them aggressively and correctly, and hit the sweet spot, they perform above any of the competition.
post #4 of 22
I encourage everyone to try the Fischer WC SC. I know we're all partial to various boards, however, this is an impressive little ski. It has a 10.5 turning radius at 160. Lord knows what at 155. Lot's of energy and with a 123mm tip actually kinda floats in pow. It's fairly versatile.

It's reasonable at pro price and readily available all year long as opposed to Stockli and Volkl in the USA.
post #5 of 22
The stockli Raver XP will still out perform the retail fischer ski. But i agree, both skis will deffinitly own the 5 star. The fischer just doesnt have the construction of the XP. Fischer doesnt use that type of construction until you venture into their race stock line, which are deffinitly equal if not superior to stockli's. I believe that fischer, elan, and stockli are building the best slalom race skis these days, and if youre looking into GS race skis deffinitly throw salomons race stock boards into the mix. Unfortunately no company can rival stockli skis right now, because other companies do not use the vertical sidewall laminate construction that stockli uses. Each stockli ski no matter what model is built like it is a world cup race ski. You cant claim that for any other company out there. You look at all these other companies with their strange tubular constructions and various systems that they clain make the ski 'better' - but stockli uses plain laminate construction (no fancy cap or any other strange concepts) and their skis are still the best built in the business. If you want a free flex system with a stockli ski you get a VIST plate with them, then you can mount whatever binding onto them that you wish, and you have an expensive but one of the highest performing setups that any skier could ever put themselves on.
post #6 of 22
Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
You look at all these other companies with their strange tubular constructions and various systems that they clain make the ski 'better' - but stockli uses plain laminate construction (no fancy cap or any other strange concepts) and their skis are still the best built in the business.
You know I remember when all Volkl skis were wood core and hand laid - like Stocklis still are today. As Volkl increased production to meet demand I believe they ran out of the materials necessary to produce skis that way. I think it may be fair to say that tubes and other strange constructions are the manufacturers way of making a large number of consistent cores that add to the ski's structure in a manner similar to wood.

I've only had the opportunity to ski Stockli's once - many years ago. They were the only skis that I felt skied anything near as well as my Volkl P9s of the day - if not better. I would really like to get my hands on some more Stocklis these days.

post #7 of 22
This is not a knock against Stockli, just to note that they are not the only laminate ski with vertical sidewall construction. All of Fischer's top race line skis that I'm aware of are made using a wood core laminate construction and traditional sidewalls. Fischer is probably not the only company that makes its top end skis this way (I'm just not familiar with the others). As Helluvaskier and others note, Atomic, Dynastar, Elan, Nordica, Rossingnol, Salomon, Volkl, and so forth also make some great racing skis.

Stockli skis are, by most accounts, great skis that are hand made. However, I'm not sure that being handmade is what makes them any better or worse than other top skis. What really distinguishes Stockli may have more to do with the amount of performance built into the design of their ski line (assuming one has the strength and skill to take advantage of the performance envelopes offered).

I suspect that Bode Miller, could get on a pair of retail Volkl’s or other purely retail race ski made by any major manufacturer and still smoke any collegiate or masters racer in the United States. Ski selection for most mere mortals probably has more to do with individual preferences and what's in vogue (not neccesarily in that order). It is still largely the skill of the skier that sets him or her apart from the rest of the pack at least until you get to the highest levels of competition.

Just my opinion. [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #8 of 22
Your post is very true, i didnt say that other skis were not good racing skis. In fact i mentioned several that were top notch race skis. Fischer still uses cap in their retail race skis as does volkl, salomon, and numerous other companies. The point i was trying to convey was that stockli skis offer the most performnace out of any other ski brand - without skiing on a race stock ski. Stockli skis are more performnace oriented than any other brand out there i think. And the original question was which is better - the T50 5* or the stockli raver XP or XXP (not sure which one is a closer footprint match counter part; and i think that the performance envelope of the stockli is much higher than the volkl.

The T50 is not in any way a bad ski, in fact if you were not a strong skier or enjoyed bump skiing i would never reccommend the stockli. If you are looking to get the most groomed performance the stockli is the way to go, providing you can pilot it - but i dont think that skier ability should be entered into the equation in this matter. Any professional racer can do things on any ski that most of us only have wet dreams about, but that is severely off topic... since it is common knowledge that different skis perform different in a variety of conditions.

If a quick turner is what this guy wants then he should be told which ski is quicker, faster, and more stable. If you ski a whole bunch of retail and race stock slalom skis you will begin to see the difference between them all. Some have few differences, and others shine above the rest - particularly stockli, fischer, and elan - all full out race skis of course. Stockli just choses to build the rest of their skis very much like their race skis - which are all race stock boards.


post #9 of 22
I would say he could smoke any collegiate or masters racer on a pair of all mountain skis.......
post #10 of 22
If you want to get your hands on some Stockli's there is a GP going on for the Stormrider SS. I believe that the rep was willing to include the DP, (basically same ski different graphics) and GS boards as a part of the GP. Cost would be $495 if there is 10+ buyers. There is a note on this in the Buy Sell section of the forum.
post #11 of 22

Try the SL and the Stockli SC. Ski them short.

Go fast. Very fast.
post #12 of 22
good post.
Just a note: The Fischer recreational race ski WC RC has traditional sidewalls and laminate wood construction (I have a pair) as does Fischer's top of the line GS and SL skis all of which are available at retail. Each of these skis can be seen in the new edition of the SKI Buyers guide. The sidewall construction is evident from the photos. I'm not positive about the rest of their race line but maybe Rusty Guy, Sanchez or someone else can clear this up. At all events, I'm quite willing to recognize that Stockli makes great skis. I just think it has more to do with their design than their being handmade.
post #13 of 22

Did you say new SKI BUYER'S GUIDE?
post #14 of 22
Originally posted by epic:

Did you say new SKI BUYER'S GUIDE?
I just got mine yesterday.
post #15 of 22
Yup. The SKI Buyers Guide and fist issue for the season of SKIING are both out (the SKIING buyers guide comes out next month but this issue has some stuff on clothes).

Plenty of eye candy for skiers. This year's Guide is visually better than last seasons.

P.S. Apologies to Stockli v Volkl thread participants for sort of hijacking things with this comment and my previous post on Fischer sidewall construction. I will post a Buyers Guide anouncement in the General Ski Discussion forum.
post #16 of 22
Lostboy you are correct. I believe it is just those three, however I'll check.

I want to add two things. As stated previously about a dozen folks are getting "race stock" skis from Fischer. They are hand made. Last years design becomes this years ski and is then put into production.

A source I trust highly at Fischer has gone so far as to say the production skis are a little more reliable in terms of quality control than the hand made skis.

I get a kick out of local racers who claim to be on "race stock".

On occasion we'll see a few pairs of "white top" skis with no graphics. This is the closest to race stock seen around here.

I've never been a fan of Volkl skis, however, Elan makes a great product! I really think I've simply never been on a Volkl with a shape or tune that suited me. Let's face it a great many companies make a good ski.

[ August 08, 2003, 04:29 PM: Message edited by: Rusty Guy ]
post #17 of 22
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the info everyone. As it turns out, Im able to swing a deal with someone I know who can get me a pair of brand new Stockli SL Race for $550. Ive heard mixed opinions on race stock skis, but to be honest Im on the fence about getting these. I would use these all over the mountain (which back east involves 90% groomed and a bunch of ice!). What is the biggest difference between race stock skis and the normal Laser SLs? Could I use the race skis for everyday skiing? Do they hold better or have more energy? It actually sounds kind of intriguing to ski on a pair of race stock skis. Im an expert skier by any measure and I know (99% sure at least) they wont be too much of a ski for me. Any thoughts on this? Thanks again folks.
post #18 of 22
The SL (Blue for 03/04), is the same ski ..... ain't no "race stock" unless you have a hook direct to Ambrosi Hoffman.

The SC will put you somewhere between the SL and the GS. In my opinion, the GS is a bit too much ski for mortals ....
post #19 of 22
Thread Starter 
Yuk- Last years ski big guy. Its the neon yellow race stock.
post #20 of 22
Last time I checked, the SC had even more sidecut than the SL! Yet it is said to be in between the SL and GS. How does that work?
post #21 of 22
Thanks, Vita-Man. Looks like they increased the sidecut a lot on the SL and reduced it a bit on the SC, so the SL now has quite a bit more than the SC. I'd sure like to try the SC, but realize the cheapest/only way for me to get a ride would be to buy a pair.
post #22 of 22
Im going to buy a pair of Stockli SL's this winter as well. What kind of bindings were you planning on using? Im not really sure which ones to use, or if the skis accept only one companies bindings. Does anyone know what would be best for Stocklis? Also, it seems alot of stocklis have VIST plates. Would it be worth the investment in getting one as well? Im looking to get basically THE best ski setup on the mountain. Thanks
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